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As for your use of the Quran to defend...continue...<br />As for your use of the Quran to defend your Bible, you are m,,,<br />isinterpreting it. Besides the debate is about the Bible,not the Quran.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-24787172885818525122012-04-03T13:44:16.821+08:002012-04-03T13:44:16.821+08:00Dear Anonymous:
I think we have debated on the con...Dear Anonymous:<br />I think we have debated on the contradictions of the Bible, ie 1) One god contradicted by three gods.<br />2)Gods prediction of a prophet from the Ishmaeli tribe.(God will speak by his mouth as in Deutoronomy 118:18),<br />3)Jesus prediction of the Comforter John 14 :16 is of a nother prophet.<br /><br />I dont think any Christian have ever refuted them. They like you say that they have refuted,but they have not.They have given verses that have contradicted each other.Contradictions does not refute.Then again it is just wrong interpretations by Christians.<br /><br />If you want to debate with a better Bible debater than me, there is no Bible debater as good as the late Ahmad Deedat.<br />Please check out these links on Ahmad Deedat debates.<br /><br />1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqfR1pDGnCA&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLE0450B1BA992B0B4<br /><br />The above link is the core of the debate. You can check out the whole debate..21 videos.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-87225293087818768202012-04-02T23:34:42.503+08:002012-04-02T23:34:42.503+08:00Pak Yeh said “but no person had ever found any mis...Pak Yeh said “but no person had ever found any mistakes or contradictions in the Quran, unlike the Bible, which is full of mistakes,mistranslations,contradictions and sex scandals.”<br />Anonymous Reply:<br />You have quoted more than 10 Bibles verses and by God’s grace all been answered, I had quoted 3 Quran verses and yet to receive an answer, therefore how Pak Yeh able to come up above conclusion?<br />Just to summarize what had been discussed before to end this long discussion.<br />1. Deut 18:18 do not predict Muhammad because the prophet predicted clearly must come from Israelites. God has blessed Ishmaelite but do not predict prophet from Ishmaelite based on Deut 18:18 and 17:14-15.<br />2. Only God is good (holy) and faultless. Isa is faultless (holy) and Quran 19:19 supported this claim.<br />3. All the Bible verses quoted by Pak Yehs which were trying disagreed on Isa has Divine; unfortunately all these Bible verses after reading in full context have shown that Isa is Divine.<br />4. About Bible corruption theory is baseless. Quran Surat 6:115; 3:3,4; 10:94 have ensure that no one can change Allah’s words, and Allah’s words including Bible (books on the hand of people of the books). According to manuscripts some are older than Prophet Muhammad still survive today shown no proof of corruption of the Christian belief today. <br /><br />About sex scandals, Bible do not hide any misbehave of any men/women regardless of his/her status (example: David sins). I think Quran holding this same principle too. As from this blog, Pak Yeh also holding this principle to expose whatever are not correct which make me respect Pak Yeh. Anyway, this is a warong that we can share a tea and our though in order to make Malaysia a better place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-39145226162523851072012-04-02T23:32:47.294+08:002012-04-02T23:32:47.294+08:00Pak Yeh reply “Yeah right.! But it is in Latin. Wh...Pak Yeh reply “Yeah right.! But it is in Latin. What good is a Latin Bible if it is not even a copy of the Bible, but it is a translated version of the Bible, which cannot be verified, whether it was properly translated.”<br /><br />Anonymous Reply:<br />Injil language, as during Isa’s time, mostly Isa were speaking Aramaic, Hebrew and Greet. Since Greet was the government, commerce and scholarship language. Therefore mostly survival Injil manuscripts are in Greet language. Anyway, there are very little Aramaic manuscripts fragment still survive today. Based on the manuscripts you are able to verified, please take note, those survive manuscripts some are before Prophet Muhammad time ! Therefore Surat 10:94<br />So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.<br />Become meaningful else how Allah instructs Prophet Muhammad to read Scripture that cannot be verified? Please do not make Quran contradict with your own and baseless interpretation of Bible corruption (you were using “destroyed” which was totally against Quran or any Muslim interpretation on the Bible).<br /><br />Concerning Isaiah 43:10,11; 44:6 and other bibles verses on One God. Answer to these is very simple which I already told you, Christian belief ONLY ONE GOD! Therefore you can quote as many Bible verses that talking about only One God, this is what we are belief. <br />On Isaiah 43:11 when God said “besides me there is no savior” compare with Luke 2:11 “Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.”<br />Isaiah 44:6 the LORD of Hosts, says: “I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.” Compare with Jesus said in Revelation 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Since Pak Yeh had mentioned God in the Bible is the same God for Allah. Just for exercise may be Pak Yeh can providing Quran ayat that Allah has mentioned He is savior and He is First and Last ?<br /><br />Pak Yeh said “Bible never say Jesus a begotten son of god”<br /><br />Anonymous Reply:<br />John 3:16 (NIV) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Begotten is old English word which today usage has different meaning which cannot render the correct meaning of the Bible, newer translation replaced with “one and only son”. The original is “monogene” which means Jesus is not created by God compare with other “sons of God”.<br /><br />Pak Yeh said “There is no Bible versde in which Jesus himself says he in dod or son of god..”<br /><br />Anonymous Reply:<br />Many verses already shown you, here another verse<br />John 17:1 After Jesus said this; he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you..”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-59888321154371109112012-03-25T21:46:11.144+08:002012-03-25T21:46:11.144+08:00Anonymouse said
2.2.5 If what the book shown on t...Anonymouse said <br />2.2.5 If what the book shown on the mentioned YouTube as true copy (as what the claim is true which is older than the existing survival Gospel manuscripts meaning is about 2000 years ago), it will be a big discovery, not just for Bible and also for the paper, book binding technology. There is page with “golden” drawing which I think is another new ancient technology discovery in human history. Anyway, till today nothing was mentioned about this discovery either in scholars world, ancient history or nothing from any Muslim scholars talking about it in view Muslims has been century searching for the “true Injil”.<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />Same answer as for item 2.2.1<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />2.2.6 During the 1st century (The earliest day of Christianity), to become a Christian, you will ready to sacrifice your life, therefore it was insane that you change Gospel and know it was lie but sacrifice your life for a “lie” ?!<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />The true Unitarian Christians had been masacred bt Constantinr and the Nicean Creed, the founders of Greek mytjology Trinity Christianity.<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />2.2.7 About “Bible had been revised 20 times and many verses were changed”. In view the manuscripts that we have in hands, is there any changes can be noticed easily.<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply<br />How.? Can you check it with the originals in Aramic.? Do you or have you checked the revisions.?<br />Will god accept revisions.?<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />2.2.8 About “Catholics has 72 books canonized in Bible and Protestants removed 6 books out of the total”. Before answer to this question, how about 7 versions (or reading), 8 or 10 version of Quran? Please let me know how many verses in these Quran ?<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply.<br />There is no revisions in the Quran,There is only one Quran ie the Arabic in which is the real Quran. It has translations and translations are not versions of the Quran.<br />Unlike the Bible, the versions are edited versions which contain additions ans eliminations.<br /><br />Anonymouse said<br />2.2.8 If you have interest, try to watch on YouTube about the oldest Quran discovery. Please take note, I do not fully agreed on this video but for the Oldest Quran discovery will lets our mind open..<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLSEaPxePZc&feature=related<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply<br />I have not seen it yet due to very slow downloading.<br />We use only the earliest Quran,which is the Usmani Quran.Which was produced from writings on skins, leaves, stones and from memory by Muslims.It might not be a perfect editing, but no person had ever found any mistakes or contradictions in the Quran, unlike the Bible, which is full of mistakes,mistranslations,contradictions and sex scandals.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-62663692088848713072012-03-25T21:43:31.750+08:002012-03-25T21:43:31.750+08:00Pak Yehs reply
The traslation you quote
Surat 3:3,...Pak Yehs reply<br />The traslation you quote<br />Surat 3:3,4<br />He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.<br />Note :1) the word Gospel is wrongly translated from the original Injil from the real Quran in Arabic.<br />2)Muslim have originals to check whether a translation is correct or false, unlike Christians.<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />Dear Pak Yeh<br />Concerning "The James gospel" on youtube..<br />1. They first talk about the book of James or Letter of James which is in our Bible today. The opinion of the 1st interviewee can be easily debuted with James 1:1<br />James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings.<br />James as brother of Jesus intruding himself as the server of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply<br />You are mistaking James the apostal of Gospel of James is James the brother of Jesus.They are different persons.<br /><br />Anonumouse said :<br />2. Archbishop Aristarchos shown a book, the name cannot hear clearly, let as assume it is the Gospel of James (to respect Pak Yeh).<br />2.1 Please listen carefully the faith declared by the Archbishop, said that ”we belief Jesus is the son of God and son of man, Jesus is divine and human nature. This is what Christian belief. Today you can show me many verses that shown Jesus is human which does not affect our belief, but when we show you (even)a single verse that shows Jesus is divine than your theory for Jesus only human being will be rebutted.<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />The Bible adresses many of its prophets as son of god (Adam Moses,Davis etc,etc). Bible never say Jesus a begotten son of god.Bible also says that we are all children of god,with daughters too.<br />So according to the Bible there are billions of sons and daughters of god.There is no Bible versde in which Jesus himself says he in dod or son of god. What other people say does not matter.<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />2.2 The book shown looks too “new” when consider as book of thousand years ago, book in paper (?) and good binding.<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply.<br />It was a copy of the original in papryus. Why dont he show the papryus.??? For frear that the Catholics could destroy them, like they did their Papryus copy.<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />2.2.1 Today survival New Testament manuscripts mostly made of papyrus which is in fragmented copies. Some are made of animal skin. The earliest manuscripts found was Gospel of John about 100AD (latest study shown it may be Gospel of Matthew at about 50AD ?!)<br /><br />Pak yehs reply<br />Yeah right.! But it is in Latin. What good is a Latin Bible if it is not even a copy of the Bible, but it is a translated version of the Bible, which cannot be verified, whether it was properly translated.<br /><br />Anonymoise said :<br />2.2.2 If there are large collection mostly will be in scroll form or codex instead of binding as book.<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />Codex is the invention of Catholics. Muslims have only one book. We dont need a codex. Codex only used when there are sooo many authors of the Bible.<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />2.2.3 The survival codex, Codex Vaticanus (4th Century manuscript of Old and New Testament), another Codex Sinaiticus (about 4th Century, 1600 years ago, British Museum). If you have interest you can search around.<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />Same reply as above.<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />2.2.4 Paper spread from China through the Islamic world to medieval Europe in 13th century (Paper wiki)<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />Yeah offcourse. Paper books are but copies of original Bible, if in Aramic but translations,if in other languages.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-87767041378910747472012-03-25T01:12:29.128+08:002012-03-25T01:12:29.128+08:00Dear Pak Yeh
Concerning "The James gospel&quo...Dear Pak Yeh<br />Concerning "The James gospel" on youtube.. <br />1. They first talk about the book of James or Letter of James which is in our Bible today. The opinion of the 1st interviewee can be easily debuted with James 1:1<br />James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings. <br />James as brother of Jesus intruding himself as the server of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.<br /><br />2. Archbishop Aristarchos shown a book, the name cannot hear clearly, let as assume it is the Gospel of James (to respect Pak Yeh).<br />2.1 Please listen carefully the faith declared by the Archbishop, said that ”we belief Jesus is the son of God and son of man, Jesus is divine and human nature. This is what Christian belief. Today you can show me many verses that shown Jesus is human which does not affect our belief, but when we show you (even)a single verse that shows Jesus is divine than your theory for Jesus only human being will be rebutted.<br />2.2 The book shown looks too “new” when consider as book of thousand years ago, book in paper (?) and good binding.<br /> 2.2.1 Today survival New Testament manuscripts mostly made of papyrus which is in fragmented copies. Some are made of animal skin. The earliest manuscripts found was Gospel of John about 100AD (latest study shown it may be Gospel of Matthew at about 50AD ?!)<br /> 2.2.2 If there are large collection mostly will be in scroll form or codex instead of binding as book.<br /> 2.2.3 The survival codex, Codex Vaticanus (4th Century manuscript of Old and New Testament), another Codex Sinaiticus (about 4th Century, 1600 years ago, British Museum). If you have interest you can search around.<br /> 2.2.4 Paper spread from China through the Islamic world to medieval Europe in 13th century (Paper wiki)<br /> 2.2.5 If what the book shown on the mentioned YouTube as true copy (as what the claim is true which is older than the existing survival Gospel manuscripts meaning is about 2000 years ago), it will be a big discovery, not just for Bible and also for the paper, book binding technology. There is page with “golden” drawing which I think is another new ancient technology discovery in human history. Anyway, till today nothing was mentioned about this discovery either in scholars world, ancient history or nothing from any Muslim scholars talking about it in view Muslims has been century searching for the “true Injil”.<br />2.2.6 During the 1st century (The earliest day of Christianity), to become a Christian, you will ready to sacrifice your life, therefore it was insane that you change Gospel and know it was lie but sacrifice your life for a “lie” ?!<br />2.2.7 About “Bible had been revised 20 times and many verses were changed”. In view the manuscripts that we have in hands, is there any changes can be noticed easily.<br />2.2.8 About “Catholics has 72 books canonized in Bible and Protestants removed 6 books out of the total”. Before answer to this question, how about 7 versions (or reading), 8 or 10 version of Quran? Please let me know how many verses in these Quran ?<br />2.2.8 If you have interest, try to watch on YouTube about the oldest Quran discovery. Please take note, I do not fully agreed on this video but for the Oldest Quran discovery will lets our mind open.. <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLSEaPxePZc&feature=related<br /><br />You still have not explain the three Quran verses regarding Torah and Injil, else I will consider my explanation is correct. I am sure you are a person who only follow God's words.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-33855531572631440942012-03-22T22:07:05.785+08:002012-03-22T22:07:05.785+08:00Dear Anonymouse
Here is more proof that there is o...Dear Anonymouse<br />Here is more proof that there is only one god and no other<br /><br />Isaiah 43<br />10. “You are my witnesses,” says the LORD,<br />“With my servant whom I have chosen;<br />that you may know and believe me,<br />and understand that I am he.<br />Before me there was no God formed,<br />neither will there be after me.<br />11 I myself am the LORD;<br />and besides me there is no savior.<br /><br />Isaiah 44<br />6 This is what the LORD, the King of Israel,<br />and his Redeemer, the LORD of Hosts, says:<br />“I am the first, and I am the last;<br />and besides me there is no God. <br /><br />My dear brother/friend Anonymouse, for your sake, stop saying god is a trinity, It will land you in hellfire.<br />That is what god said in the Quran.Listen to God please.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-2088802665958825612012-03-22T21:56:04.633+08:002012-03-22T21:56:04.633+08:00Dear anonymouse :
The folowing are the verses of t...Dear anonymouse :<br />The folowing are the verses of the Bible that says God is one and no other god.Any Bibleverses that say there is 3 gods in 1 is a lie.<br /><br />Isaiah 45:5<br />I am the LORD, and there is no one else.<br />Besides me, there is no God. <br /><br /> Isaiah 45:6<br />that they may know from the rising of the sun,<br />and from the west,<br />that there is no one besides me.<br />I am the LORD, and there is no one else. <br /><br />Isaiah 44:8<br />Don’t fear,<br />neither be afraid.<br />Haven’t I declared it to you long ago,<br />and shown it?<br />You are my witnesses.<br />Is there a God besides me?<br />Indeed, there is not.<br />I don’t know any other Rock.”pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-54056016881949980552012-03-19T13:55:08.505+08:002012-03-19T13:55:08.505+08:00Tere is a Gospel of Banaba the deciple of Jesus i...Tere is a Gospel of Banaba the deciple of Jesus in Aramic. There are many other gospels by Jesus deciples. but all were hidden or destroyed because the said Jesus was not god and son of god.<br />Do you not wonder why deciples Aramic Gospels are not used.??? Because they say the truth. Wa\hat other reaon.???<br />As for Latin Bibles as originals, that is the paganised idolised and Romanized mythology.<br /><br />As for you asking which verse you mis interpret,..Think again or let it be. You cannot even understand your own Bible, what more the Quran.All Bible proofs had been given but you do not understand.You quote other verses to prove Jesus is god while thre are many verses which proof Jesus is not god. The fact is the Bible is full of contradictions and therefore not the book of god. This is especially as per the Gospels, because the words of man,Jesus, Mark, Luke,John,peter etc are also regarded as Gods word.It is a rojak of mans/priests words and gods word.<br />Only the old testament has a resemblance of gods word.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-57269828469331879022012-03-19T13:33:58.172+08:002012-03-19T13:33:58.172+08:00Dear Anonymouse.
You are quoting the wrong James g...Dear Anonymouse.<br />You are quoting the wrong James gospel.<br />please check out the youtube link..<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT8_faUmR1w<br /><br />Note : The Bible had been revised 20 times and many verses were changed. Catholocs had 72 books cannonised. Protestants removed 6 books out of the total.jesus as the begoten of god was iserted by the Pope, and many Christian scholars were against it.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-75688325012506373832012-03-18T23:56:38.367+08:002012-03-18T23:56:38.367+08:00Dear Pak Yeh:
Pak Yeh said :
I stick to my/Muslim...Dear Pak Yeh:<br /><br />Pak Yeh said :<br />I stick to my/Muslim intrepretation of the Quran.<br />You are misinterpreting the Quran just like how you misinterprete the Bible/Gospel.<br />Jesus is not god and not son of god but you falsified by translation without giving othersa chance to verify using the original aramic text.You are using other verses to misinterprete Deutoronomy 18:18, hence making the Bible contradicting itself.<br />There is no trinity in the Bible but you inteprete it out of contaxt to make it a trinity...eg. The word,the Father anf the holy spirit are one". Thjis does not mean atrinity of god, but it means a trinity in the message(word). That the word comes from god to holy spirit and Jesus. What else could word "mwan". If word mean Jesus,it is not logik at all.Word is what comes out of the mouth,not what comes out of a vagina like Jesus.<br />The Pope has destroyed or banned his own copy of the Gospels written by disciples of Jesus(Banabas) and brother of Jesus(James).Proof... These Bibles are still available,hidden by Unitarian Christians namely the Greek Orthodox Church and the coptic Christians. All these Gospels never said that Jesus is god or son of god.Why dont Trinitarians use Gospels by eye witness instead of using Gospels by non eye witnesses.??? A conspiracy to hide the truth.???<br /><br /><br />Anoymouse answer:<br />What is your or Muslim intrepretation of the Quran based on the 3 Quran verses that I have shown you ?<br /><br />Pak Yeh you are keep on talking "I am misinterprete the Bible/Gospel" without ever to show any proof. Are you trying to use "A falsehood repeated many times becomes a truth" as what you always mentioned ? :)<br /><br />Concerning the Gospels written by disciples of Jesus(Banabas). Someone already reply to you and yet you have no answer but you insist using it again?<br />a) Gospel of Banabas : Two manuscripts are known to have existed, both dated to the late 16th century and written respectively in Italian and in Spanish (Gospel of Barnabas Wikipedia). This is the true Gospel that you are looking but since does not according to your requirment,<br /> i) orginal language is in Italian and Spanish ? sorry not Aramic !<br />b) 16th Century ? you said eyewitness ?<br />c) many more, please go and do some reseach.<br /><br />Concerning Gospel Brother of Jesus(James): may be you are referring to Gospel of James (Infancy Gospel of James), is in Greek.<br />Please go and read this Gospel to see is there any help to proof that the Gospels today in our hand has been destroyed. <br />Please take note in case you do not ready this Gospel (Gospel of James) 11:7-8,<br /><br />And the Angel of the Lord said, "Not like that, Mary. For the power of God will come<br />over you. Thus, the holy one who is born will be called son of the most high. And you<br />will call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." <br /><br />If you accept Gospel of James as the true Gospel, meaning you are agreed that "Isa (Jesus) is the holy one and he is the son of the most high". Yes, this is the truth that we are all talking about!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-35748647338776721612012-03-18T14:23:49.512+08:002012-03-18T14:23:49.512+08:00Dear Anonymouse :
I stick to my/Muslim intrepretat...Dear Anonymouse :<br />I stick to my/Muslim intrepretation of the Quran.<br />You are misinterpreting the Quran just like how you misinterprete the Bible/Gospel.<br />Jesus is not god and not son of god but you falsified by translation without giving othersa chance to verify using the original aramic text.You are using other verses to misinterprete Deutoronomy 18:18, hence making the Bible contradicting itself.<br />There is no trinity in the Bible but you inteprete it out of contaxt to make it a trinity...eg. The word,the Father anf the holy spirit are one". Thjis does not mean atrinity of god, but it means a trinity in the message(word). That the word comes from god to holy spirit and Jesus. What else could word "mwan". If word mean Jesus,it is not logik at all.Word is what comes out of the mouth,not what comes out of a vagina like Jesus.<br /><br />Anonymouse said:<br /><br />If you insist and said "Pope has destroyed the Original Aramaic Bible", do you have any manuscript proof ? When the original Aramaic Bible being destroyed ? before Muhammad (pbuh) time ? during Muhammad's time ? after Muhammad's time ? <br /><br />Pak Yehs reply:<br />The Pope has destroyed or banned his own copy of the Gospels written by disciples of Jesus(Banabas) and brother of Jesus(James).Proof... These Bibles are still available,hidden by Unitarian Christians namely the Greek Orthodox Church and the coptic Christians. All these Gospels never said that Jesus is god or son of god.Why dont Trinitarians use Gospels by eye witness instead of using Gospels by non eye witnesses.??? A conspiracy to hide the truth.???<br /><br />Anonymouse :<br /><br />You said "Changing names in translation is the rootcause of misleading gods message.".<br />Does Quran also changing names in translation from Hebrew (or Aramaic) to Arabic so based on you, it is the root cause of misleading God's message ?!<br /><br />Pak yes reply :<br />What are you talking about.? All translations of the Quran strictly maintain all names, pronouns in their original language Arabic.<br />It is you stupid Christians who like to change gods name without gods permission(how sinful)... like changing god to Allah as in your Malay bible.<br />For gods sake ,dont you know that god is illah in Arabic, while Allah is by defination, according to the Arabic Quran, a one god.<br />Shesh stupid Christians creating mischief, by mistranslating Allah into a trinity god. Next you will trinitize the Hidu gods and Chinese gods too.???<br />Damn you bloody Christian sinners.!!!<br />Blspheming Allah whne The Bible does not mention Allah.You shall suffer for your sins in the hellfire forever and ever.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-1677828346251559072012-03-17T23:38:55.370+08:002012-03-17T23:38:55.370+08:00Dear Pak Yeh:
Pak Yeh said:
Surat Al-'An`ām 6...Dear Pak Yeh:<br /><br />Pak Yeh said:<br />Surat Al-'An`ām 6:115<br />The Word of your Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice; no one can change His words. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing<br /><br />The above quran vers is only for the Quran.There are many other verses of the Quran which said that the Jews, Judaism and Christians have rewriten their books. Maybe the original was not but Torah has been contradicted by the Thalmud, and Bible Old Testament had been contradicted by Gospels.<br />The Pope has destroyed the original Aramic Bible, hence the books you have are mistranslated versions of the original.<br /><br />It is devious of you to misinterprete the Quran on me. But I noticed the mistranslation such an Gospel for the word Injil.Changing names in translation is the rootcause of misleading gods message.<br /><br /><br />Anonymous Answer:<br />You said Surat 6:115 "The above Quraan vers is only for Quran", but this ver never mentioned "Quran" but "His (God) words". Quran have mentioned God's words including Torah and Gospel (surat 3:3,4). Do not make Quran to contradicting itself (and becomes full of erros [as you always like to said]) because do you think (based on Surat 10:94) Allah will ask Muhammad(pbuh) to ask (if he have doubt) those who have been reading the Scripture before you if the Scripture already corrupted ?<br />If you insist that Torah and Gospel has been corrupted (trying to ignore God's word in Surat 6:115), how are you going to explain God is the all-Hearing and the All-Knowing do not protect His own words ?<br /><br />If you insist and said "Pope has destroyed the Original Aramaic Bible", do you have any manuscript proof ? When the original Aramaic Bible being destroyed ? before Muhammad (pbuh) time ? during Muhammad's time ? after Muhammad's time ? <br /><br />You said "Changing names in translation is the rootcause of misleading gods message.". <br />Does Quran also changing names in translation from Hebrew (or Aramaic) to Arabic so based on you, it is the root cause of misleading God's message ?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-69290084052745707522012-03-17T15:06:50.632+08:002012-03-17T15:06:50.632+08:00Accepting your Isiah 45 verse 22 ian the rght vers...Accepting your Isiah 45 verse 22 ian the rght vers...<br />You Anonymous said:<br />1st point, all Christians belief in only one God, saying we belief in more than one God is not us which is you.<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />Are you a unitarian or a trinitarian Christian.???<br />If you are a trinitarian then you have lied/blasphemed the Bible one god Yahweh.<br />If you are unitarian,then you are considerd a true Jesus follower and is practicing one of the right religions.<br /><br />Anonymous said :<br />2nd point, if follow your logic, Jesus is God, therefore thy are two Gods. The only God name is Yahweh, so how about "Allah", another God ?!<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />You are spinning.Jesus cannot be god Yahweh because he was killed by Romans.He prays to Yahweh.He thirst and hunger.He comes out of a mortal vagina.<br />as for Allah, although another name but it means one god and therefore same god as Yahweh.<br /><br />Anonymous said : <br />3nd Point, Isaiah 45:22 Only God will save, there is no other,<br />Matthew 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”<br />Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua, which means the LORD saves.<br />John 8:24 Jesus “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am (Ego eimi, refer to Exodus 3:14, God self-declared when spoke to Moses) He , you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)<br />In another words, Isa al-Masih said " if we do not believe that I am He, we will die in our sins."<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />What you are doing is to try to change or contradict Isiah 45 verse 22, by quoting other verses.<br />If you book(Gospel0 is so full of contradictions,then it is not the book of god.<br /><br />Anonymous said :<br /><br />My dear Pak Yeh, since God's word said "no one can change His words", and why you do not listen to God's words and said Torah and Gospel have been destroying?<br />Have a nice weekend.<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply:<br />Surat Al-'An`ām 6:115<br />The Word of your Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice; no one can change His words. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing<br /><br />The above quran vers is only for the Quran.There are many other verses of the Quran which said that the Jews, Judaism and Christians have rewriten their books. Maybe the original was not but Torah has been contradicted by the Thalmud, and Bible Old Testament had been contradicted by Gospels.<br />The Pope has destroyed the original Aramic Bible, hence the books you have are mistranslated versions of the original.<br /><br />It is devious of you to misinterprete the Quran on me. But I noticed the mistranslation such an Gospel for the word Injil.Changing names in translation is the rootcause of misleading gods message.<br /><br />I belief in the Torah and the Injil but I disbelief in the Bible and the Gospel.<br />Di I disbelief in Allahs verses...<br />Surat 3:3,4<br />He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.<br />Before, as guidance for the people. And He revealed the Qur'an. Indeed, those who disbelieve in the verses of Allah will have a severe punishment, and Allah is exalted in Might, the Owner of Retribution.<br />Surat 10:94<br />So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.<br />Surat Al-'An`ām 6:115<br />The Word of your Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice; no one can change His words. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.<br /><br />All of our debate leads to the fact that Christians using the Gospel tells lies about the oneness of Yahweh, your Bible god.<br />Gospel contradicts the Bible Old Testament and is full of errors.<br /><br />Perhaps it is time for you to read what the Quran says about Jesus. Look fo an A to Z of the Quran at a bookshop.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-67367069338315628472012-03-17T02:08:05.915+08:002012-03-17T02:08:05.915+08:00Pak Yeh said:
How can you say god is three when he...Pak Yeh said:<br />How can you say god is three when he said "I am the only god.There is no god before and no god after me"..refer Isaiah 45 verse 10,22,12.<br />You have not answerwd any thing on this. You cannot do it because you lie.<br />...<br /><br />Anonymous answer:<br />Isaiah 45:10 (NIV)<br />How terrible Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What have you begotten?’ or to his mother,‘What have you brought to birth?’ <br />Isaiah 45:12 (NIV)<br />It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts. <br />Isaiah 45:22 (NIV)<br />“Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. <br />Only Isaiah 45:22 is very near to what you have quoted. <br />1st point, all Christians belief in only one God, saying we belief in more than one God is not us which is you. <br />2nd point, if follow your logic, Jesus is God, therefore thy are two Gods. The only God name is Yahweh, so how about "Allah", another God ?!<br />3nd Point, Isaiah 45:22 Only God will save, there is no other,<br />Matthew 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”<br /> Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua, which means the LORD saves.<br />John 8:24 Jesus “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am (Ego eimi, refer to Exodus 3:14, God self-declared when spoke to Moses) He , you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)<br />In another words, Isa al-Masih said " if we do not believe that I am He, we will die in our sins."<br /><br />John 20:24-29 (Isa al-Masih Appears to Thomas after He has risen from death) <br />Now Thomas one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” <br />We are blessed because we do not see but we believed.<br />About "Christians who falsifies the truth in the Bible by destroying the original Aramic Bible"<br />Dear Pak Yeh, lets read some Surah from Quran,<br />Surat 3:3,4<br />He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.<br />Before, as guidance for the people. And He revealed the Qur'an. Indeed, those who disbelieve in the verses of Allah will have a severe punishment, and Allah is exalted in Might, the Owner of Retribution.<br />Surat 10:94<br />So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.<br />Surat Al-'An`ām 6:115 <br />The Word of your Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice; no one can change His words. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.<br /><br />Quran said <br />a. God revealed also the Torah and the Gospel (Injil), those who disbelieve in verses of God will have severe punishment. <br />b. If you [including prophet Muhammad (pbuh)] are in doubt, than ask those who have been reading the scripture before you.<br />c. The word of Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice, no one can change His words.<br /><br />My dear Pak Yeh, since God's word said "no one can change His words", and why you do not listen to God's words and said Torah and Gospel have been destroying?<br />Have a nice weekend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-19596404801203067212012-03-16T12:09:43.680+08:002012-03-16T12:09:43.680+08:00Well if you say brethen means to Jobites only in D...Well if you say brethen means to Jobites only in Deutoronomy 18:18 then explain Genesis 17:20 "And as for Ishmael,I have heard him.Behold I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly.12 princesses shall he beget and I will make him a great nation."<br />This is prediction of Arabs/Ishmaelies. And hence this disproves you contention that brethen means Jacobites only. <br /><br />It is pointless to debate with a Christians who falsifies the truth in the Bible by destroying the original Aramic Bible.You have no access to original to verify the truth of a translation like Muslims do.<br /><br />Let us go to the 1st falsification.<br />1)That god is one and not three.That trinity is a falsehood repeated many times until it becomes a truth, just like what Joeseph Goebbels,Hitlers Propaganda Minister said:<br />How can you say god is three when he said "I am the only god.There is no god before and no god after me"..refer Isaiah 45 verse 10,22,12.<br />You have not answerwd any thing on this.You cannot do it because you lie.<br />Any verses of the Bible you give will further enhance the lie.<br /><br />Jesus jhimself said he is not god and has no power without gods power.<br />You refutation of the verses that Jesus said otherwise has no Biblical proof.The truth is jJesusu denied he was god and that he can do nothing without god.<br />Whatever you have said does not prove Jesus is god.<br />Anyway how can you equate Jesus words/mans word with Gods word.???<br />Not even Jesus word can contradict gods word. If it does than god will clarify it, like He does it in the Quran. <br />God has denied Jesus is His son, denied Jesus is god and denied holy spirit is god.<br />Stop telling lies against Yahweh and Allah the one god by making them 1/3 of themself by saying there is a trinity<br />Christianity/Trinity is the Geobles principle.ie A lie repeated many times becomes a truth.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-37504063739762250102012-03-16T08:50:26.465+08:002012-03-16T08:50:26.465+08:00Dear Pak Yeh (I saw this is missing, may be I forg...Dear Pak Yeh (I saw this is missing, may be I forgot to post previously, let post it again),<br />5. John 10:29 "My Father is greater than all."<br /><br />Lets read the full context (John 10:29-33),<br />My Father, who has given them to me,[a] is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”<br />The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”<br />For the above, it is clearly shown that when the Jews listen to what Isa al-Masih said, they picked up stones want to stone Isa al-Masih because “that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”. What Isa al-Masih said in the ears of Jew is making himself (Isa al-Masih) as God !!! instead of what you are trying to said “Isa is not God” <br /> <br />John 14:28 "My Father is greater than I."<br />From the above quote from what Isa al-Masih said, we know that “greater than I” does not disproof anything about the deity of Isa al-Masih. As simple logic, if today I said “PM Datuk Najid is greater than I”, does it mean PM is human, and I am not a human being ?! <br /><br />Pak Yeh said “Note Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life" does not mean he is god(that is quoting out of context), but that he in the representative of god, just like all the other prophets were representatives of god. All other prophets have said that they are the way the truth and the life including prophet Mohammad in one way orother.”<br /><br />Pak Yeh said “All other prophets have said that they are the way the truth and the life including prophet Mohammad in one way orother (another[added by me]).”, Please proof to me by quoting from Quran verses that all other prophets (you said all, I just need you to list 3 of them, Mohammad(pbuh), Dawud[David] and Musa [Moses]) have said that they are the way the truth and the life”.<br /><br /><br />---------------------------------------------<br />Anonymouse said:<br />So when we refer to Deuteronomy 17 it is clearly stated Brother/Brethren is referring to as Israelites because Israelites has 12 tribes. If you insist that brother/brethren in Deuteronomy 18:18 is referring as Ishmaelite than you need to find a supporting verses in this book.<br /><br /> pak yeh said... <br />Oh my you are certainly confused.<br />That Deutoronomy 17 has no connection with Deutoronomy 18;18. I agree taht Deutoronomy 17: refers to bretherens of Jacobites.<br />But in Deutoronoy 18:18 God was speaking to the Jacobite tribe of Mosses that included all 12 tribes.<br /><br />Okay this is the supporting verse you ask for...Genesis 17:20 "And as for Ishmael,I have heard him.Behold I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly.12 princesses shall he beget and I will make him a great nation."<br />This verse is proof the the brethen stated in Deutoronomy is the brethren of Jacobites,that is the Ismaelites.<br />Historical proof.? Muhamad did say he is the Ishmaelite prophet and the Ismaelites(Arabs) were made a great/greatest nation during that period. Gods prediction about Ishmaelites and a prophet among them did came true.<br />Would you dare contradict god by saying otherwise.???<br /><br />Anonymous Answer:<br />Why Deuteronomy 17 does not connection to Deuteronomy 18:18 on interpretation the word brethren ? Same book, same word must be same meaning. Deuteronomy 17 said Brethren is referring to Israelite, therefore Deuteronomy 18:18 brethren must be Israelite (therefore Prophets like Moses must be from Israelite); this is very simple literature interpretation rule. <br /><br />You are using Genesis 17:20 talking about Ishmael, what is the connection between Deuteronomy 18:18 ? is there any “brethren” used in Genesis 17:20 ? so what is the connection between Deuteronomy 18:18 and Genesis 17:20 ? Oh, my friend Pak Yeh, you are certainly confused yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-80377302452369511022012-03-13T21:08:36.580+08:002012-03-13T21:08:36.580+08:00Anonymouse said "
Anonymous Answer:
Pak Yeh s...Anonymouse said "<br />Anonymous Answer:<br />Pak Yeh said “you say the the 1 god is 3 gods in one.<br />This means that you have made god 1/3 of His original self as he claimed to be.”. may I know what logic is this ? If God is like us (physical body), you statement is correct, 1+1+1 =3, can not be 1 so god become 1/3 of His original self. But God is spirit (Ruh), we should use 1x1x1=1, what do you think? If God willing I will revisit this in more detail.<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply "<br />Aiiyaa. Dont you know that there are many spirits too.And God is not just spirit.He has a body too. There is a verse in the Quran and in the Bible which sayas that He(God) is the seen(body) and the unseen(spirit).God is the 1st body/material, out of which the planets were and its contents were created. There is no other material than god.<br />So your reasoning have been disproved again. <br />I can belief in all the logical things in the Bible. But the illogical is for the insane to believe in it.<br />The illogical elements/dogmas are nothing but falsehood concocted by your Pope and Priesthood to beguile and enslave the stupid.<br />"A falsehood repeated many times becomes a truth". This is the work of the Master Deceiver named Satan.!!!!!!!pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-4022433002816925772012-03-13T20:51:47.236+08:002012-03-13T20:51:47.236+08:00Dear anonymouse:
Replying to your comment on gods ...Dear anonymouse:<br />Replying to your comment on gods logic.<br />please do not say that Gods logic is different from our logic.He created us in his own image.So our logic is his logik and our illogik is his illogic.<br />1+1+1 = 3...this is logic.<br />1+1+1 = 1 (the trinity concept)..this is illogic.<br />1/3 + 1/3 )1/3 = 1 ...This is logic.So you trinity has made the Fathe 1/3 of his self(the one god).<br />Are you not belittling and blaspheming the one god of your Bible as stated in Isiah 45 verse 10,11,12. "I am the only god.There is no god before me and no god after me.And I am the only savior"<br />Come on where is your logic in believing in the trinity which contradicts god himself as in Isaiah 45 verse 10,11,12.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-53709761524180869962012-03-10T23:07:26.597+08:002012-03-10T23:07:26.597+08:00Dear Pak Yeh:
Anonymouse said :
God can not die ?
...Dear Pak Yeh:<br />Anonymouse said :<br />God can not die ?<br />I already shown you the quotes from Injil, to show that God has God’s logic on this topic, not as simple logic that we use to be<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply:<br />Are you saying that gods logic is illogic.???<br />God the immortal/omnipotant does not die.!!!<br />If you say otherwise, then you are being illogic. Do not ever say that god uses a different logic than us, as this is blasphemy and an insult to god.!!!<br /><br /><br />Anonymous answer:<br />I said “God’s logic on this topic not as simple logic that we use to be” but your interpretation is “god logic is illogic??”. Are you trying to say God’s logic must follow/compliance to human’s (or your) logic else will be consider illogic?! You said “Do not ever say that god uses a different logic than us, as this is blasphemy and insult to God!!”, are you aware what you are trying to say ?! You statement is insulting to God !!<br />Apk Yeh said “God the immortal/omnipotant does not die.!!!”<br /><br /> Let again seems what is the God’s logic, (John 10:18)<br />Isa al-Masih said : <br />“Tidak seorang pun mengambil hidup-Ku dari pada-Ku. Aku memberikan hidup-Ku secara sukarela. Aku mempunyai hak untuk memberikan hidup-Ku. Dan Aku mempunyai hak untuk mengambilnya kembali. “<br />Imortal God has “hidup-Ku”, and no one can “mengambil hidup-Ku dari pada-Ku”, <br />Omnipotnt God “memberikan hidup-Ku secara sukarela, Aku mempunyai hak untuk memberikan hidup-Ku. Dan Aku mempunyai hak untuk mengambilnya kembali”. This shown HE CAN “memberikan hidp-Ku” (He died”) and HE CAN “mempunyai hak untuk mengambilnya kembali” (He raise from death, what was stated on Acts). <br /><br />(Isaiah 55:8,9) explained about God’s logic vs human’s logic,<br /><br />As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.<br /><br />Quran is from Allah, as Creator of universe and humankind, He sure will stated similar statement in Quran… may be Pak Yeh can help me ? :)<br /><br />---------------------------------------------<br /><br />Anonymous said :<br />But the one God concept was corrupted by the trinity which was taught by Paul of Tarsus..” which Trinity do you mean ? What Trinity actual said (based on what you know).<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply:<br />Its the same trinity you belief. First you Christians say you belief in 1 god. Then you say the the 1 god is 3 gods in one.<br />This means that you have made god 1/3 of His original self as he claimed tobe.Refer Isaiah 45 verse 10,11,12 "I am the only God. There is no god before me and there is no god after me."<br />So either God is telling a lie or you(christians) are telling a lie.?????? <br /><br />Anonymous Answer:<br />Pak Yeh said “you say the the 1 god is 3 gods in one.<br />This means that you have made god 1/3 of His original self as he claimed to be.”. may I know what logic is this ? If God is like us (physical body), you statement is correct, 1+1+1 =3, can not be 1 so god become 1/3 of His original self. But God is spirit (Ruh), we should use 1x1x1=1, what do you think? If God willing I will revisit this in more detail.<br />God never telling lie, He just want to say He love us so much that He willing to gives His life. This is an amazing love that we Christians have experience…Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-57178726642885817702012-03-10T23:03:07.349+08:002012-03-10T23:03:07.349+08:00Dear Pak Yeh :
2. John 5:30 "I can myself do...Dear Pak Yeh :<br /><br />2. John 5:30 "I can myself do nothing. As I hear I judge. And my judgment is just. For I seek not my will but the will of the Father."<br /><br />Please read the full context (John 5:19-30),<br /> Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. <br /> “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. <br /> “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. <br /><br />Isa al-Masih can do what he sees his Father doing, because whatever father does the Son also does. How a prophet dare to say these ? Verse 29, “as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it “ For here very clearly stated that Isa al-Mash has very close relationship with God that he sees God gives life, he also gives life to whom he is pleased to give it”. Does any prophet (or Mohammad(pbuh)) ever said the same word “see Father does, and prophet gives life to whom he is pleased to give.” ?<br /><br />3. Pak Yeh’s Quote : Luke 11:20 "I with the finger of God,cast out the devil."<br /><br />Actual Luke 1:20<br />“But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”<br />Pak Yeh, why you miss this word “if” ?!<br /><br />4. Pak Yeh quote : Mathew 12:28 "I cast out the devil with the spirit of God."<br />Actual Mathew 12:28<br /> But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.<br /><br />Again, Pak Yeh, again, why you miss out this word “if” ?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-55377740631316974152012-03-10T22:59:21.438+08:002012-03-10T22:59:21.438+08:00Dear Pak Yeh:
pak yeh said...
The Bible verses t...Dear Pak Yeh:<br /><br />pak yeh said... <br />The Bible verses that prove Jesus is not god and can do nothing without god is as follows...<br />1)Acts 2:22 "Oh Israel.Listen to this.Jesus of Nazareth,a man approved amongst you,by wonders of miracles and science, which God did by him. And you witness by it."<br />2)John 5:30 "I can myself do nothing.As I hear I judge.And my judgment is just.For I seek not my will but the will of the Father."<br />3)Luke 11:20 "I with the finger of God,cast out the devil."<br />3)Mathew 12:28 "I cast out the devil with the spirit of God."<br />4)John 10:29 "My Father is greater than all."<br />5)John 14:28 "My Father is greater than I."<br />Note Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life" does not mean he is god(that is quoting out of context), but that he in the representative of god, just like all the other prophets were representatives of god.All other prophets have said that they are the way the truth and the life including prophet Mohammad in one way orother. <br /><br />Anonymous answer:<br />Please read the context of the Injil<br />1. Acts 2:22-36, <br />Acts 2:22-28<br />“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. David said about him: <br /> “‘I saw the Lord always before me. <br /> Because he is at my right hand, <br /> I will not be shaken. <br />Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; <br /> my body also will rest in hope, <br />because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, <br /> you will not let your holy one see decay. <br />You have made known to me the paths of life; <br /> you will fill me with joy in your presence.’ <br /><br /> In Acts 2:25, Peter has quote the Psalms using the term “Lord” which is replacing the Psalms God’s almighty Name. Therefore, “ LORD” in Acts 2 context is equal to God. Please continue to read Acts 2:34-36<br /><br />Acts 2:29-26<br /> “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, <br /> “‘The Lord said to my Lord: <br /> “Sit at my right hand <br /> until I make your enemies <br /> a footstool for your feet.”’ “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” <br /><br />Remember, the LORD in Acts context is equal to God. This above clearly stated Isa al-Masih ” whom you crucified, both LORD and Christ”!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-5885679962917916202012-03-01T17:27:43.345+08:002012-03-01T17:27:43.345+08:00Anonymouse said:
So when we refer to Deuteronomy 1...Anonymouse said:<br />So when we refer to Deuteronomy 17 it is clearly stated Brother/Brethren is referring toas Israelites because Israelites has 12 tribes. If you insist that brother/brethren in Deuteronomy 18:18 is referring as Ishmaelite than you need to find a supporting verses in this book.<br /><br />Oh my you are certainly confused.<br />That Deutoronomy 17 has no connection with Deutoronomy 18;18. I agree taht Deutoronomy 17: refers to bretherens of Jacobites.<br />But in Deutoronoy 18:18 God was speaking to the Jacobite tribe of Mosses that included all 12 tribes.<br /><br />Okay this is the supporting verse you ask for...Genesis 17:20 "And as for Ishmael,I have heard him.Behold I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly.12 princesses shall he beget and I will make him a great nation."<br />This verse is proof the the brethen stated in Deutoronomy is the brethren of Jacobites,that is the Ismaelites.<br />Historical proof.? Muhamad did say he is the Ishmaelite prophet and the Ismaelites(Arabs) were made a great/greatest nation during that period. Gods prediction about Ishmaelites and a prophet among them did came true.<br />Would you dare contradict god by saying otherwise.???<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />God can not die ?<br />I already shown you the quotes from Injil, to show that God has God’s logic on this topic, not as simple logic that we use to be<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply:<br />Are you saying that gods logic is illogic.???<br />God the immortal/omnipotant does not die.!!!<br />If you say otherwise, then you are being illogic. Do not ever say that god uses a different logic than us, as this is blasphemy and an insult to god.!!!<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />But the one God concept was corrupted by the trinity which was taught by Paul of Tarsus..” which Trinity do you mean ? What Trinity actual said (based on what you know).<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply:<br />Its the same trinity you belief. First you Christians say you belief in 1 god. Then you say the the 1 god is 3 gods in one.<br />This means that you have made god 1/3 of His original self as he claimed tobe.Refer Isaiah 45 verse 10,11,12 "I am the only God. There is no god before me and there is no god after me."<br />So either God is telling a lie or you(christians) are telling a lie.??????pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-69463161370860401342012-03-01T17:27:40.231+08:002012-03-01T17:27:40.231+08:00Anonymouse said:
So when we refer to Deuteronomy 1...Anonymouse said:<br />So when we refer to Deuteronomy 17 it is clearly stated Brother/Brethren is referring toas Israelites because Israelites has 12 tribes. If you insist that brother/brethren in Deuteronomy 18:18 is referring as Ishmaelite than you need to find a supporting verses in this book.<br /><br />Oh my you are certainly confused.<br />That Deutoronomy 17 has no connection with Deutoronomy 18;18. I agree taht Deutoronomy 17: refers to bretherens of Jacobites.<br />But in Deutoronoy 18:18 God was speaking to the Jacobite tribe of Mosses that included all 12 tribes.<br /><br />Okay this is the supporting verse you ask for...Genesis 17:20 "And as for Ishmael,I have heard him.Behold I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly.12 princesses shall he beget and I will make him a great nation."<br />This verse is proof the the brethen stated in Deutoronomy is the brethren of Jacobites,that is the Ismaelites.<br />Historical proof.? Muhamad did say he is the Ishmaelite prophet and the Ismaelites(Arabs) were made a great/greatest nation during that period. Gods prediction about Ishmaelites and a prophet among them did came true.<br />Would you dare contradict god by saying otherwise.???<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />God can not die ?<br />I already shown you the quotes from Injil, to show that God has God’s logic on this topic, not as simple logic that we use to be<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply:<br />Are you saying that gods logic is illogic.???<br />God the immortal/omnipotant does not die.!!!<br />If you say otherwise, then you are being illogic. Do not ever say that god uses a different logic than us, as this is blasphemy and an insult to god.!!!<br /><br />Anonymouse said :<br />But the one God concept was corrupted by the trinity which was taught by Paul of Tarsus..” which Trinity do you mean ? What Trinity actual said (based on what you know).<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply:<br />Its the same trinity you belief. First you Christians say you belief in 1 god. Then you say the the 1 god is 3 gods in one.<br />This means that you have made god 1/3 of His original self as he claimed tobe.Refer Isaiah 45 verse 10,11,12 "I am the only God. There is no god before me and there is no god after me."<br />So either God is telling a lie or you(christians) are telling a lie.??????pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.com