tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post8788361516950110075..comments2023-07-06T17:28:20.826+08:00Comments on Warong Pak Yeh: Is the 3rd Force Relavant .???pak yehhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-77221590002577684192011-01-27T06:40:17.273+08:002011-01-27T06:40:17.273+08:00Well done, Pak Yeh on making the idiot in London a...Well done, Pak Yeh on making the idiot in London accountable currently for what he does or says on mclm and independent candidates, past few months now. <br /><br />Because of counter points brought up by the public by bloggers like yourself and YL chong, his influences had been contained somwehat but the threat of him denying the rakyat chocie of pro-change is still very much alive.<br /><br />RPK generalization of this issue to win his argument is a sad reflection of the beiginning of his senility, like the mamak exPm talking rubbish, going on & on things. He is saying and questioning so many things that are contradicting to what he had said long ago. Yes, the possible explanation today is the inference that his MT funding is coming from dark bn sources. <br /><br /><br />With all the arguments against this idealistic impracticle dream of RPK, it all boils down to this in the final analysis.<br />If the illusion's candidates are not accepted by PR for internal poltical reasons(which is the present situation), will the idiot put them up as the 3rd candidates in 3 corner fights? RPK has NEVER said he wont put the candidates up if that is the case.<br /><br />That measn, RPK is NOT for pro-change in the next GE, maybe 2 decades from now when he is more likely long buried with his untested mclm concept of "standing under PR banner but working independent in parliament" The ind candidates , just as Snapp, Kita, are NNEVER going to deliver the results that we want - the change of govt. Mclcm is more likely going to split the oppostion votes and deny PR the higher chances of winning.<br /><br />One of the continuing argument of RPK is that the mclcm is representing the voices of the rakyat. What make him think that PR is not respresenting the voices of the rakyat? The end of ISA, the restoration of good governance, end of corruption meritocracy is restored etc These are what we want. We may not get all what we want (immediately) but hey who can deliver everything within acceptable poltical expediency. The gains we can achieve are excellent already. <br /><br />The argument of continuing third force. Why end with third force. why not have the fourth force. What makes RPK think he own the third force rights, and instal himself as the King. What about fourth force or fifth force to sutff out PR? If RPK has his ways, then we have the umno ruling Malaysia for the next 54 years. All RPK's talks on ISA/anti-corruption, bad governance issues etc are really talk for talk sake, activist for activism sake fo rhis public porfile elevation with no clear end results. He is a traitor to the good force today. <br /><br />Yes, I feel the same way that RPK talk on Irag and Saddam is his crap attempt, always these days, to bullshit his way through his arguments. He is so pathetic. He is one of the greatest con in the inde web site today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-34734500885874418122011-01-26T11:03:53.161+08:002011-01-26T11:03:53.161+08:00Pak Yeh,
Thanks for the chat.
Was trying to be p...Pak Yeh,<br /><br />Thanks for the chat.<br /><br />Was trying to be polite but you are a fraud.<br /><br />Konts right. You need to be "caned" by a real ulama!<br /><br />Cheers!Salakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14203395095664133611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-61861064663892347382011-01-26T10:15:28.229+08:002011-01-26T10:15:28.229+08:00Konts said :
-pardon my ignorance, but I think tha...Konts said :<br />-pardon my ignorance, but I think that IS what MCLM is doing :ADVISE.<br />Why should MCLM register as a political party? They are not fielding any candidate for themselves, are they? You said it yourself that they should be a pressure group, and this is what they do! So, seriously, I don't see why you are so mad with MCLM.<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />I agree with your agreement with me. I hope to see that MCLM and RPK does not act as a spoiler in our next elections.<br />RPKs article, "PKR is worst than UMNO" is a blatant lie and a spoiler.!!! No party in Malaysia is worst than UMNO/BN.!!!Strange how RPK treats his friends.??? Is he with PKR or with UMNO.??? Only UMNO people woulg say that.!!! <br /><br />Konts said :<br />Anyway, this is off topic, but as a fellow Muslim, I would like to advise you on words/style that you use when writing. Sorry but I found it kinda disturbing, when someone who's been quoting verses from Quran so frequently (yes, it's you) been replying to comments using harsh words like "where did you put your brain.???"<br />Come on.. you are better than that.. even our great maksum Rasullullah spoke nicely to the enemy, who we are to be so harsh to others? The super sin-less?<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />Thank you for your advice. Pleas dont compare me with prophet Mohammad.I am definitely not as holy as him. Different people have different ways of communication. The object is ...Have you understood what is requied to debate.???<br />If you have you are a better person now.<br />Desperate times require desperate methods.<br />Pardon my "desperate times"teaching methods.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-8941767637901507372011-01-26T08:18:57.559+08:002011-01-26T08:18:57.559+08:00Salam Pak Yeh,
Yah sorry about the "Judges&q...Salam Pak Yeh,<br /><br />Yah sorry about the "Judges" example, my bad. I was actually referring to them not taking sides prior to judgement, but in the end, they do take side anyway.<br /><br />You said "If you read politics properly ,it is eithe this or that.There is no third choice.Third choices or independant individuals are spoilers and are often hipocrits who will join the winning party.They are only thinking about themselves." and "MCLM is a relavant as a pressure group.!!!<br />If it wants to be political it must register as a political party and choose either of the two coalition parties.It has no right to dictate to political parties on which candidate should stand. As pessure groups, they can only advice."<br /><br />-pardon my ignorance, but I think that IS what MCLM is doing :ADVISE.<br />Why should MCLM register as a political party? They are not fielding any candidate for themselves, are they? You said it yourself that they should be a pressure group, and this is what they do! So, seriously, I don't see why you are so mad with MCLM.<br /><br />Anyway, this is off topic, but as a fellow Muslim, I would like to advise you on words/style that you use when writing. Sorry but I found it kinda disturbing, when someone who's been quoting verses from Quran so frequently (yes, it's you) been replying to comments using harsh words like "where did you put your brain.???"<br />Come on.. you are better than that.. even our great maksum Rasullullah spoke nicely to the enemy, who we are to be so harsh to others? The super sin-less?<br /><br />Oh btw, personally, I think as a pressure group, MCLM is far much better than those so-called NGOs that actually were led by politicians who clearly have political benefits from the Government, ahah. NGO... pfftt.Kontsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-80698158386234022752011-01-25T20:13:24.709+08:002011-01-25T20:13:24.709+08:00Konts said:
Not all matters can be simplified as o...Konts said:<br />Not all matters can be simplified as one side yes and one side no. For example, during my university days, there's a group of students who went from door to door in the neighborhood to spread the words of Allah. And there's a group of students who like to go clubbing till the sun comes out. This is clearly a good vs evil example. And I don't belong in any of them. Does this make me a musyrik/munafik?<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply :<br />Please stick to the debate.<br />We are no debating on moral issues but debating on politics.<br />The object of politics is that either one of the two coalition parties become the government.<br />If you read politics properly ,it is eithe this or that.There is no third choice.Third choices or independant individuals are spoilers and are often hipocrits who will join the winning party.They are only thinking about themselves.<br /><br />Konts said :<br />And things to ponder dear Pak Yeh:<br />-Judges don't take side, are they musyrik?<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply:<br />Wrong.! Judges takes sides when they make a judgement.The have to pronounce the righteous as the winner.<br /><br />MCLM is a relavant as a pressure group.!!!<br />If it wants to be political it must register as a political party and choose either of the two coalition parties.It has no right to dictate to political parties on which candidate should stand. As pessure groups, they can only advice.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-43764254093884030482011-01-25T19:38:01.964+08:002011-01-25T19:38:01.964+08:00Anonymous 03:11:00 PM MYT,
A man is still an anim...Anonymous 03:11:00 PM MYT,<br /><br />A man is still an animal as much as a centipede is too. So you have to move up the value chain! ;-)<br /><br />Of course bipedalism will eventually move you to a tree, too, which if animal, has zillions of legs! But of course, not! ;-)<br /><br />Cheers!Salakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14203395095664133611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-61898877812106623072011-01-25T19:36:08.004+08:002011-01-25T19:36:08.004+08:00Salak said:
"...In the Quran there is a verse...Salak said:<br />"...In the Quran there is a verse that says that Allah has created all things in pairs."<br />Pak Yeh,<br />If I say to you that -<br />a kancil has 4 legs;<br />a kancil is an animal;<br />therefore animals have four legs?<br />Work on your logic, Pak Yeh.<br /><br />Pak Yeh replies :<br />My, my , look who has to work his logic.<br />Anonymous no 2 has replied on my behalf..<br />As for animals with four legs, its actually a pair of fore legs and a pair of hind legs, savvy?pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-72320664185982219912011-01-25T19:28:19.609+08:002011-01-25T19:28:19.609+08:00Thank you Kamil Rafi.
However this is not a Gramar...Thank you Kamil Rafi.<br />However this is not a Gramarian contest.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-5641899445620782652011-01-25T19:25:15.750+08:002011-01-25T19:25:15.750+08:00Mr Anonymous no 1 said :
Your doubts might be misp...Mr Anonymous no 1 said :<br />Your doubts might be misplaced.<br />- 2 party system did not prevent invasion of Iraq, did it?<br /><br />Pak Yehs reply:<br />Invasion of Iraq is a war issue, not a 2 party political issue.<br />My god ! where did you put your brain.???<br /><br />Anonymouse no 1 said :<br />- democracy not only stands for a 2-party system, to be so makes it captiveto the system; EU has states that have multiparties like France and France is a major country of democratic proportions historically<br /><br />Pak yehs reply.<br />E.U. is an economic/Banking issue, not a party politcs issue.<br />My god where is your brain.<br />Sorry I fed up debating with no brainer.<br />MCLM is a pressure group.If it wants to play politics, it must join either of the two coalition parties,Pakatan Rakyat or Barisan National.pak yehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668033505038224891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-35692576877702076332011-01-25T19:01:59.767+08:002011-01-25T19:01:59.767+08:00“We're in a giant car heading towards a brick ...“We're in a giant car heading towards a brick wall and everyones arguing over where they're going to sit.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-38307873197176043372011-01-25T17:31:14.550+08:002011-01-25T17:31:14.550+08:00Salam Pak Yeh,
To be frank, this is the first I r...Salam Pak Yeh,<br /><br />To be frank, this is the first I read your blog, thanks to RPK for the link.<br /><br />I personally feel that your intention is good, but somehow, IMHO, you've done the very common, but deadly, mistake. It's called "Generalisation".<br /><br />Not all matters can be simplified as one side yes and one side no. For example, during my university days, there's a group of students who went from door to door in the neighborhood to spread the words of Allah. And there's a group of students who like to go clubbing till the sun comes out. This is clearly a good vs evil example. And I don't belong in any of them. Does this make me a musyrik/munafik?<br /><br />Same goes for your arguments on "forces of evil" and "forces of good". Though it's okay for you to make assumptions which is good which is evil, what gives you the right to label those who doesn't take side as musyrik?<br /><br />You are saying Pakatan Rakyat as the good one, but you are making hasty generalisation if you totally agree to whatever Pakatan Rakyat is doing, and assuming whatever BN did are bad (though I admit most of them are! lol). You are condemning RPK for criticising PR, saying RPK is not taking sides. So what if people don't take sides? What we want is for the best of the people. If all PR supporters think like you and BN supporters vice versa, then when it will end? Plus, is RPK did take sides, is it wrong to criticise your friend for the benefits of both? Are you going to be like your hated UMNO members who say yes to whatever party president said?<br /><br />For me, we do need MCLM to be independant. We need MCLM to tell what's right and what's wrong to both sides. Once MCLM starts taking sides, then we'll be back to square one.<br /><br />And things to ponder dear Pak Yeh:<br />-Judges don't take side, are they musyrik?<br />-Some people take politics seriously, some against it seriously. I'm not any of those, thus I'm a musyrik?<br />-Last but not least, it IS possible that both BN and PR are forces of evil.. like some said, a kinder devil is still no angel!Kontsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-75325388895137193202011-01-25T15:11:51.743+08:002011-01-25T15:11:51.743+08:00Personally, I give Pak Yeh 3 points, RPK 2 points,...Personally, I give Pak Yeh 3 points, RPK 2 points, so far.<br /><br />As for animals with four legs, its actually a pair of fore legs and a pair of hind legs, savvy?<br /><br />TaikohtaiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-35636333024368418772011-01-25T11:37:59.512+08:002011-01-25T11:37:59.512+08:00"...In the Quran there is a verse that says t..."...In the Quran there is a verse that says that Allah has created all things in pairs."<br /><br />Pak Yeh,<br /><br />If I say to you that - <br /><br />a kancil has 4 legs;<br />a kancil is an animal;<br /><br />therefore animals have four legs?<br /><br />Work on your logic, Pak Yeh.<br /><br />Khaldun, Ghazali, Shafiee, all these guys went through logic as part of their studies and calling.Salakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14203395095664133611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-52336244881981710142011-01-25T01:05:51.955+08:002011-01-25T01:05:51.955+08:00Please edit your post using microsoft words. The e...Please edit your post using microsoft words. The english grammar used is atrocious.Kamil Rafihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537593910583094795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4529824195243877014.post-75893105154776874132011-01-24T22:24:48.045+08:002011-01-24T22:24:48.045+08:00Pak Yeh,
Your doubts might be misplaced.
- 2 par...Pak Yeh,<br /><br />Your doubts might be misplaced.<br /><br />- 2 party system did not prevent invasion of Iraq, did it?<br /><br />- MCLM does not jeopardise; if Msia is still evolving, MCLM can only contribute, & enhance it<br /><br />- democracy not only stands for a 2-party system, to be so makes it captiveto the system; EU has states that have multiparties like France and France is a major country of democratic proportions historically<br /><br />- MCLM primarily protects the interests of voters in general, regardless of affiliation, can only aid instead of prohibit; not all citizens are party members nor do they need to be<br /><br />- etablished parties get firmly stuck in their own organization which may even be prejudicial to voters non-party aligned interests<br /><br />- opposite in nature to what you thought - MCLM should disappear into inisignifance when they can fulfill their fuunctions of empowering citizens with better perceptions and understanding of their responsibility as citizens<br /><br />- present environment in Malaysia needs all positive elements for it to grow and nurture; there are many wrongs in the system some of which are very fundamental. the rise of opposition politics are a reaction to the past abuses of a monotype government system and a society deeply steeped in feudal bias of a belief no longer compatible with open societies that must take it's proper place in the community of world nations, unfettered with pasts that prohibits instead of nurturing it<br /><br />- Pakatan had not ruled the country as yet; only 4 states, it needs all the help it can get to grow; it has good promise in some the present players very much unlike the stereotypes in BN. Not all of them will make it long as new ones replace<br /><br />To be reactive to MCLM is to deny openness, the very essence of democracy, and to be prohibitive is to deny freedom of expression and thinking.<br /><br />It's natural to be over-careful now since we're very inexperienced. We read, study yes, we just never did experience it ourselves as yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com