While Christian are calling others as pagans,they themseves are also pagans.!!!
They say that they believe in the Bible, yet they contradict the Bibble.!!!
Proof of this is as follows...
1)Chrismas trees were fobidin by Yahweh the God of the Bibble Old Testament.
But the Prests encouraged the Christmas Tree Pagan Festival.
This is proof that Christians worship their Priests rather than Yahweh, the Bibble God.
2)The Bibble old testament,Isaiah 10,11,12. says" I am the only God.There is no God before me, and no God after me. There is no Savior except me."
Yet the Christians say that there are two other gods beside Yahweh the Bibble "One God".
Yet the Christians took another Savior (Jesus)besides Yahweh the "One God" of the Bibble.
These are three Bibble proofs that Christians are hipocrites who say they believe in the Bibble but actually disbelieve in the Bibble, but instead believe in Greek mythology of many gods and son of god that defines themselves as Greek influnced pagans.
23 comments:
Yeh..yeh..Merry Christmas to you too..pagan..That's why until now hate Islam. Islam Is a good religion. But people like you spoils it...Islamic extremist.
Mr Anonymouse.
Please try to debate and proove me wrong.!!!
If you cannot,it just means that I am speaking the truth.!!!
Why in Gods name should you believe in untruth/lies about Trinity that your preists say when the Bible God Yahweh says otherwise.???
Do you belive in your priest as a higher god than Yahweh the Bible god.???
Pak Yeh! Bersabar. Jangan melenting! Tenang-tenanglah bila berdialog.
Sila renung ayat berikut, dengan terjemahan Al Angkabut Ayat 29:41 dari dua sumber:
"And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender." [Pickthall]
"And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)." [Yusuf Ali]
- 29:46 Surah Al Angkabut
Dan selanjutnya:
"...Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was so accommodating of Christians that according to the two earliest Islamic historians, Ibn Saad and Ibn Hisham, the Prophet even allowed a delegation of 60 Byzantine Christians from Najran in Yemen to worship in his own mosque in Madinah..."
W'allahu bikulli sya'in alim.-
but here, those leaders of yours putting on a show to appear religious are the most corrupted...
lol!!!
Mr Anonymouse,
Saya patuhi ayat itu.
Saya juga patuhi Quran 39:18 "Listen to all views.Choose the best.Thesae are the guided,the intelligent."
Cara saya adalah cara Qurab 39:18 ia itu cara berbahas.
Saya berhujah dengan bukti Bibble.
Itu bukan menghina tetapi memberi pertunjuk dengan buktik Bibble.
Itu namanya intellectual debate.!!!
Harap faham.
Pak Yeh,
You will need to be more "expansive" than just damning the Christmas Tree to achieve "intellectual" debate.
Christians need not believe that Jesus is God. In fact the "New Testament" (King James Version) is testimony to a lot of misunderstanding and where Jesus' sermons are recorded more authoritatively.
You mention "Bible" and "Bibble".
Do take care of quoting sources.
Muslims and Christians are about monotheism principally. There are always extreme disagreements.
The Sunni and Syia are a dichotomy I would humbly refrain from commenting. The depths and breadths of religious dichotomies extend to dichotomies and false dichotomies!
Anonymous said :
Christians need not believe that Jesus is God. In fact the "New Testament" (King James Version) is testimony to a lot of misunderstanding and where Jesus' sermons are recorded more authoritatively.
My understanding as per the Quran is that Unitarian/One God Christians and other religions are accepted by Allah.
I am aware that there are Unitarian Christians around.
In fact Muslims are unitarian Chreistian and Unitarian Judaism due to the similiarities in their books.In fact all prophets teach Islam(peace) and one god.
So lets unite for Islam(Peace).!!!
Thank you, Pak Yeh,
There are Muslims and there are Muslims. So too, there are Christians and there are Christians.
The search for truth should not end. My personal non-religious untutored though general understanding and perception is that our own physical and human nature depends on others to capture the total picture.
It is somewhat like "cloud" computing where the human brain is extended by joining thousands of computers working and computing with enormous capacity breaking things into units and rebuilding and breaking them down and finding humanly comprehensible patterns or design. In the process, what might appear to be opposites are differences.
Wholeheartedly, we could bring out differences and similarities to build a bigger picture of a "sense of unity", or peace: the parts matter in the sum of all the parts. In a crude simple physical way, when you put something in between the path of a positive and a negative charge you get - and Lo, there is Light! ;)
Salam, Pak Yeh! :))
[Pak Ngah]
Anonymous said:
You will need to be more "expansive" than just damning the Christmas Tree to achieve "intellectual" debate.
Can you not see the most damning Bible proof/evidence I quoted...Isaiah 10,11,12. which makes you Trinity Christian into liars and blasphemers of the One God consept and the Salvation concept.???
Anonymous said :
The Sunni and Syia are a dichotomy I would humbly refrain from commenting. The depths and breadths of religious dichotomies extend to dichotomies and false dichotomies!
The Sunni and the Syiah are amended sects of Islam. The original Islam that uses only the Quran developed into Sunni and Syah due to another false book called the Hadis.
You must understang that it is Satans mission to mislead all religions of God.
You can tell me where my religion has been mislead and I am doin the same for you.
Its our duty to teach each other as brothers of mankind.
Pak Yeh,
Here's a verson of the Trinity. As a monotheist, I don't find that offensive.
["For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."] Bible, KJV
I recall a South African Muslim, Ahmad Deedad, who wowed the UK when he went to preach there. Do you remember that? He was trying to help smoothen out the rough edges of both Christianity and Islam, both religions being monotheistic in nature. He was a Sunni but he took great efforts not to rattle the Shites, unlike our Selangor Jakim people.
(Pak Ngah)
Aononymous said :
["For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."] Bible, KJV
How is it possible that this verse contradicts Isaiah 10,11,12." I am the only God.There is no God before me, and no God after me. There is no Savior except me."
Which one do you believe to be true.??? Perhaps the Bible had been mistranslated.!!! Do you have the original Hebrew Bible to verfy its translation.???
Maybe it just means that the "word" is the same message, and the massage is one massage ie..Gods message,the angle/the holy spirits message and Jesus message is one and the same.
Only by interpreting it this way can you eliminate the contradiction between the two verses of the Bibble.Its not like Gods to contradict Himself.!!!
["...Why in Gods name should you believe in untruth/lies about Trinity that your preists say when the Bible God Yahweh says otherwise.???
Do you belive in your priest as a higher god than Yahweh the Bible god.???... ]
Are you sure it's Jehovah or Yahweh, Pak Yeh?
Watch this please ...!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vGQa-35Xok
Pak Yeh,
You wanna go in depth into Islam, you have to learn not only Arabic, you have to know the Semitic language, of the Jews and Arabs from whom Islam came. You also have to learn Judaism, Christianity and Islam. There is much politics in religion as there is religion in politics.
Malaysians are nuts. They say no Christian University should offer Islamic Studies. For the sake of knowledge, Islamic Universities should offer Christian Studies. They're arguing now, especially the useless Jakim people.
Now you have to appreciate where, what you read come from. Books have citation rules, otherwise how do you know who or what wrote it? People make mistakes and then they correct it.
The King James Version of the Bible is the most authoritative source of the Bible at the moment. As for the Qur'an, you do same. Just because it looks like the Qur'an, it may not be the Qur'an! What's worst, you and I don't know Arabic! Check around ...easier now. You don't have to pay huge library fees.
All "religions" teach good and mean well!
Keep cool, Pak Yeh! :))
[Pak Ngah]
Anonymous said...
Pak Yeh said : ["...Why in Gods name should you believe in untruth/lies about Trinity that your preists say when the Bible God Yahweh says otherwise.???
Do you belive in your priest as a higher god than Yahweh the Bible god.???... ]
Are you sure it's Jehovah or Yahweh, Pak Yeh?
Pak Yehs reply :
Why are you not answering my question.???
There are several names of God in the translated Bible...Yahweh,Eli,Elah, but none Jehovah or Allah.
Anonymouse said :
You wanna go in depth into Islam, you have to learn not only Arabic, you have to know the Semitic language, of the Jews and Arabs from whom Islam came. You also have to learn Judaism, Christianity and Islam. There is much politics in religion as there is religion in politics.
I can read and understand Arabic.Reading the Quran in Arabis is taucht more than reading translations.Allah has stated that the Quran is is Arabic. Translations help understand but the real meaning is is Arabic.
Christians should read their Bible in Aramic tounfortunately the original bible is hidden and replaced by Latin translations.Hence Christianity is a Latin creation by Roman Emperor Constantine,who corrupted the religion with a Hercules like Greek mythology.
Anonymouse said :
Malaysians are nuts. They say no C be taught the traditionalhristian University should offer Islamic Studies. For the sake of knowledge, Islamic Universities should offer Christian Studies. They're arguing now, especially the useless Jakim people.
Pak Yehs reply:
Accouding to the Quran Islam should not be taught commercially via the Universities.
When you pay to learn waht the Quran can teach you, you are bloody stupid.The real reson why people are willing to pay for it is because they get to sell their services to the evil government of the day.It is solely for monetary motives.
Anonymous said:
All "religions" teach good and mean well!
Some religions tell you to worship false gods like jesus and the holy spirit.
They who worship other gods besides The One God/Allah are destined for hell.!!!
Proof of it is as follows...
1)Quran 21:98"Lo they and that which the worship besides Allah shall be fuel for Hell..."
2)Quran 17:39"..And take not other gods besides Allah,least you will be cast into hell..."
3)Quran 5:72"They surely disbelief,who say Allah is the Messiah son of mary".
Quran 5:73"They surely disbelief who say Allah is the third of three,when there is no god save the One God.if they desist not from saying it, a painful doom will fall on them who disbelief."
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Pak Yeh,
This might be a long thread.
The dialogue and sometimes clash between Islam and Christianity went back a long time ago in many forms. The early wars saw Saladdin and Christians making interchange via blood and tragedies. Painful dialogues. Of course there were other ways as in Averroes (Rushd), Aquinas and Algazel (Al Ghazali).
This will not end and shouldn't end in who is right or wrong. One way to do this is via "comparative religion" extending not just to Judaism and Christianity but to others such as Hinduism, Budhhism, Taoism and all other religions.
Watch this interesting video called "Out of Cordoba". -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkmCm3aqkXE
[Pak Ngah]
# The Testaments in Greek/ English -
The New Testament
Anonymous/Pak Ngah said:
This will not end and shouldn't end in who is right or wrong.
Every debate ends in who is right and who is wrong. Those who lose due to poor debates with no Bible /scripture proofs/evidence have to accept defeat. Christian all over the world and in every age cannot explain/proof the trinity and son of god. That is because it is a lie.!!!
So by debating law Christians are loosers.
You risk going to hell by ignoring Allah warning not to trintize Him and not to say that He has a son.!!!
As for comparative religion studies, I have done that already.It does not change my opinion about Christians being pagans, idolators and mythologist.
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Debates will be there, not to worry.
There were debates, furious ones in Islam and Christianity and between the two. Funny, someone said that these debates might have stalled human progress.
Al Ghazali and Ibni Rusd had furious debates. The former called the latter "incoherent". The latter called the former "incoherently" incoherent! :-))
(Tahafut al falasifa & Tahaful at tahafut)
I'm not sure but I remember that it put a clampdown in thinking amongst Muslims, like the "Iron Curtain". There's an Arabic word for it, forgot already, Pak Yeh. Please jog my memory.
In any case, the quarrel might have started long ago when pagan Arabia was ruled by the Greeks from whom Muslim scholars wrote things down and disseminated them to the world. The fusion is what we got today. And sadly we're (all) doing it with bombs and bullets (making some Malaysians richer). And worst, suppression and repression and bank crashes and economic failures.
Something to think about, Pak Yeh! for the New Year?
Selamt Tahun Baru! :))
(Pak Ngah)
Dear Pak Ngah,
Ilove debates. It is the way to undestand truth.
About the debate between Al Ghazali and Ibni Rushd. It is Ibni Rushd that is peaking the Truth.
Al Ghazali is just like our government sponsored Ulama who twist religion so that the rakyat is stupified by fobidding them to engage in philosophy and. the use of the mind.
About the influence of Greek mythology in Islam, it is restricted to the hadis only. The Quran is not effected.
The hadis related that the prophet Mohammad rode on a flying horse(like Hercules horse) to the 7th Heaven to meet God (just like Zeus place).
There are many Muslims that believe in this hadis but the Quran does not support this story.
These and many other to corrupt or amend the Quran.
Satan does his job in decieving every religion.
About war, I am totally against war although Islam allows to wage a war in self defence. Nuclear bombs has made it a madness to go to war.
War should be banned.
I agree with Jesus non agresion philosophy.
The truth of today is that countries are conqured not through war but through the mind and economic philosophy.!!!
Syabas!!
Without these 2 "UNCLE" on 'sesawang' make the world "STILL" so to cool-down pse ref this piece:
Did we not cool your temper.
And we unloaded your load.
One that burden your back.
We exalted you to an honorable position.
With pain there is gain.
Indeed with pain there is gain.
Whenever possible you shall strive.
Seeking only your Lord.(94:1-8)
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