Saturday, June 6, 2009

Jesus breaks Gods laws.?

Some people say Gods law is fluid and not rigid.Religion undergoes reforms through out the ages.
The way I see it, Moses makes the law, Jesus breaks the law and Muhammad makes the law to fit somewhere in between Moses'and Jesus methods.

Take the law of the fornicator as a case study. According to Moses' Law the fornicator is to be stones to death.This law contradicts the law of retribution.According to the law of retribution a man can only be killed if he has killed someone.Therefore it would be injustice if the retribution law is broken by killing someone who have not killed anyone and whose only sin is to fornicate.

Because of this injustice Jesus seek to break the unjust laws of Moses. Mary Madelene was forgiven without any punishment whatsoever. Simmilarly other sinners, thieves murderers were also forgiven without any punishment. The followers of Moses could not believe that a man of God such as Jesus would be seen with prostitutes and thieves and he also breaks Gods laws.

But Jesus came to preach the meaning and way of Love. The way of Love was self purification and being compationate. But unfotunately love alone does not solve the problems of the world. People still need laws to have order in this world. So Jesus predicted another prophet with laws to establish Gods government,(Refer the verses below)

1) John 14:16 "And i will pray the Father,and He will give you another "Comforter",that he may abide with you forever."

2) John 16:7 "Nevertheles I tell you the truth.it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away,the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart. I will send him unto you.

3) John 16:8
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

4)John 16:9
of sin, because they do not believe in Me;

5) John 16:10
of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more.
(Note:the phrase "you see me no more" is proof that there is no second coming of Christ)

6) John 16:11
of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

7) John 16:12
I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.

8) John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
(Note:Jesus refers "He" to "The Comforter" a man who is also the Spirit of Truth or that he receives the truth from God via the Spirit of Truth.But this truth got lost in translation where even the original name of the Comforter in Aramic was translated. Only the Gospel of Banabas retained the original name, Ehkmad in Aramic.)

Understanding the lack of laws in the Gospel, the Christians had to ballance their religion with laws.Some semblance of laws were then included in the Christian religion by incorporating the old testament Bible into their religion.
The incorporation of war and violence as acceptable to Christians is evident in the Old Testament Bibble on the verses that encourages war to settle problems. These laws however contradict Jesus teachings of Love and non violence.

The way of Mohammad is the continuation of Jesus' mission to come out with laws that are more compasionate and set up a government. Refer Gospel John 14:16,16:7/8/9/10/11/12/13 as detailed above.
So the law for fornication was revised to 100 strokes which can be interpreted as very compationate when compares to the death sentence.
War was abhored but not totally banned.
Alcohol was abhored upon but not totally banned as there are medicinal benefits in alcohol.Similarly gambling,slavery and money lending with exhobitant interests/usury wore banned and made into law to protect people from abuse and misuse.The way of Muhammad was a revolusion at that time in terms of economics, anti slavery and classless sytem, morals and philosophy.

This is my version of the history of religion and truth. May Allah guide us all and help us implement Gods government as prophet Mohammad had done before but was destroyed by Satan disguised as people in authority.Satans government is prolifirating in the form of greed based Capitalism and false paper money(Kafirnomics). Most people are unaware of the kafirization of our minds and culture in such a way that everybody is motivated to be greedy.In this Kafirnomics proton is not acceptable. A Mercedeze is prefered although you can buy 5 protons for the cost of one Mercedeze.With this sort of thinking the rich exploits the poor to maximum profit,just to have the Mercedeze.

Salam/Peace.

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Only the Gospel of Banabas retained the original name, Ehkmad in Aramic.)

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You are reading this sham gospel, just like you are writing the gospel of Pak Yeh, he, he, but it will get nowhere .

salam.

pak yeh said...

Halo Anonymous no.1,
Banabas is oene of Jesus deciples.Why do Christians pick and choose ???.Why do Christians change names ??? If your name is Pak Yeh somebody change it to Mak Yeh, you feel angry about it. I bet Jesus himself is angry with Christians for changing his name from Yeshue to Jesus, waht more changing his message to omit his prediction of prophet Muhammad.

How can anybody belief in Christianity when names are changed and meaning of words changed ??? You dont even have the original Gospel in Aramic,how can you determine the correctness and transparency of your Gospel
translation.

The Gospel of Pak Yeh is from the Spirit of Truth.Those that reject it will go to hell.

Anonymous said...

8) John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
(Note:Jesus refers "He" to "The Comforter" a man who is also the Spirit of Truth or that he receives the truth from God via the Spirit of Truth.But this truth got lost in translation where even the original name of the Comforter in Aramic was translated. Only the Gospel of Banabas retained the original name, Ehkmad in Aramic

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Pak Yeh, you have an active imagination !, no such reference to Muhammad was made in the Aramic Bible.

I checked the translation of the Aramic Bible and guess what, it shows your imagination has run wild.

Even if you were to read an English translation made direct from Aramic, you will still not believe. Your excuse will be that the translation is wrong.

LOL, you have to justify your stand by hook or by crook !.


http://www.v-a.com/bible/john.html

John 14:13

13. "And whatever you ask through my name, I will do for you, so that
the Father is glorified through the Son.
14. "And if you ask me in my name, I will do it.
15. "If you love* me, observe my commandments.


16. "And I will request it of my Father and another Advocate he will
send you, who will be with you forever*.

17. "The Spirit of Truth*, (whom) the world* could not receive because
they could not see or know Him. But you know Him, for He lives among
you and through you is manifested.


John 16: 7

7. "But I am telling you the truth,
it will benefit you that I am going.

For if I do not go,

the Advocate will not come to you.

For when I go,

I will send Him to you.

8. "And when He comes,
He shall instruct the people* on sin,
Righteousness and judgment* [;]
9. "On sin,
since they did not believe in me [;]
10. "On righteousness,
since, as I go to my Father,
And you will not see me again [;]
11. "On judgment,
Since the leader of the world* here, was judged.
12. "Again, I have much to tell you,
except you cannot take it all in now.

13. "But when the Spirit of Truth comes,
He* will provide you with all the truth,
Not that He speaks of his own self [;]*
except He speaks [only*] what He hears,
Revealing to you the forthcoming [events.]*

14. "And He glorifies me,
since He manifests* what is mine
and reveals* it to you.



Act 2: 1

1. And as the days of Pentecost* were fulfilled, they gathered together as one.

2. And there was from the

stillness of heaven a sound like

the stirring of Spirit, and the

whole house was filled with it,

where they were staying.

3. And there appeared to them

tongues that cleaved like [flames

of] fire, and they sat on each one

of them.

4. And they were all filled by the

holy Spirit, and they began

reiterating speech in language after language, as the Spirit gave them to speak.
5. There were men who lived in Jerusalem that feared God,* Jews, from all nations under heaven.
6. And as that sound was heard,* all the people gathered and there was an uproar,* because they heard each one of them* speaking in their own languages.
7. And they were all surprised and amazed, as they said one to the other,* "All these people speaking [different languages,] were they not Galileans?

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymous no.2,
You and your Christian frinds have quoted the same verses time and again. And each time you changed the name Comforter to Helper and now Advocate.And each time the meaning is changed.
Stpo this nonsense.Please give me the original name in Aramic.You are not supposed to translate names.
You say you have an Aramic Gospel??? Dont lie to me! Why are Christians not using it. Please show me.!!! I am not talking about Old Testament.Its the original Aramic Gospel I am asking for.

You dont need to requote those verses. You need to debate it the two issues.

1)Jesus is saying he will send somebody else called the Comforted/Helper/Advocate.Read the proof :-
John 14:16 "And i will pray the Father,and He will give you another "Comforter",that he may abide with you forever."

2)Jesus says he will go and not come any more. So there is no 2nd coming of jesus.So there is to be another prophet. Read the proof:-
John 16:7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth.It is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away,the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart. I will send him unto you.

Its cristal clear that Jesus would send another prophet.If you worship Jesus you have to belief what he said in the two verses.

If you disagree with what I say, just zoom on to the two verses first and explain the two verses.
Please dont quote other verses which are not relevan. you quote other verses.
I really dont understand why you quote Acts verses.According to those verses, the Spirit of truth can visit anyone according to the verses.But only with someone like Jesus or the Comforter presence.
However if the Spirit of truth is explained in aligory it can mean the intelligence or intuition which God gives to some people.

Love/Peace/Jesus.

pak yeh said...

It looks like no Christians dare to debate the predictiction by Jesus of another prophet.Refer John 14:16 and 16:7.
Probably Anonymous no 2 is still searching for his Aramic Gospel.
Dear Anonymouse no2.You have to belief in your God Jesus.He predicted another prophet.so go seek the Comforter/Helper/Advocate/Mekhmet (in Aramic)

Here is some more food for thought.
Says jesus again...
John 16:8
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Yes Muhammad/The spirit of Truth/God in the Quran says about sin.
1) All humans are born sinless.
2) No one bears anothers sin.
3) Sin is brought by the surrounding people.You are conditioned to sin or not to sin by the people around you.
4)Adam and eve was forgiven their sin when they ask forgiveness from God.
5)Therefore inherited sin is a lie.

Love/Peace/

Anonymous said...

Blogger pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymous jc,
You better surender lah. There is no Aramic Bible.Only Roman/Latin Bibles are available. How is truth transmitted if truth is without its original words in Aramic.

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.Aramaic Bible

Eashoa Msheekha [The name of Jesus in the Ancient Aramaic language]

read it at http://www.v-a.com/bible/index.html

comforter in Aramic:

http://www.peshitta.org/cgi-bin/lexicon.cgi

Lexicon
Word: 0=lqrp
Lexeme: 0=ylqrp
Root: 0=ylqrp
Word Number: 17268
Meaning: comforter
Pronunciation: (Eastern) P'aRaQLi+aA
(Western) P'aRaQLi+oA
Part of Speech: Noun
Gender: Masculine
Person:
Number: Singular
State: Emphatic
Tense:
Form:
Suffix Gender:
Suffix Person:
Suffix Number: Singular

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By the way what is your understanding of who the comforter is ?. Your Prophet Muhammad ?.

Anonymous said...

Yes Muhammad/The spirit of Truth/God in the Quran says about sin.
1) All humans are born sinless.
2) No one bears anothers sin.
3) Sin is brought by the surrounding people.You are conditioned to sin or not to sin by the people around you.
4)Adam and eve was forgiven their sin when they ask forgiveness from God.
5)Therefore inherited sin is a lie.

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Pay Yeh,

One either believe the Bible or the Koran no two way. Their teachings are incompatible. In his time ,Jesus spread his Gosple through non violence, only Love, the Koran is done otherwise.

How many Jews and unbelievers did Jesus have killed ?. and how many did the Prophet Muhammad have killed ?.

salam

Anonymous said...

It looks like no Christians dare to debate the predictiction by Jesus of another prophet.Refer John 14:16 and 16:7.
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Word: 0=lqrp
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Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh, FYI

The Muslim scholar Cyril Glassé states:

As regards the "Gospel of Barnabas" itself, there is no question that it is a medieval forgery. A complete Italian manuscript exists which appears to be a translation from a Spanish original (which exists in part), written to curry favor with Muslims of the time. It contains anachronisms which can date only from the Middle Ages and not before, and shows a garbled comprehension of Islamic doctrines, calling the Prophet "the Messiah", which Islam does not claim for him. Besides its farcical notion of sacred history, stylistically it is a mediocre parody of the Gospels, as the writings of Baha'Allah are of the Koran.

The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, Harper & Row, 1989, p. 64

Anonymous said...

Pinocchio, Tom Sawyer and other characters have been converted to Islam in new versions of 100 classic stories on the Turkish school curriculum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527697/Pinocchio-and-friends-converted-to-Islam.html

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See how desperate some people are , trying even to Islamise the characters in fairy tales. Tsk, tsk.

God does not need such help from puny humans.

pak yeh said...

Dear Aninymous no.3,
I am not looking for dictionary meaning of the English words or name.I am asking whether there is an Aramic Gospel???I am not asking for the Old Testament in Aramic.
If you do have it ,how is it you do not use it???
What is the original names of the Comforter/Helper/Advocator in Aramic???

Anonymouse said :
By the way what is your understanding of who the comforter is ?. Your Prophet Muhammad ?.

The Comforter is another prophet that Jesus predicted. I am sure Jesus predicted the coming of Muhammad. But some Christians belief it is Mr Sun Myang Moon of the Unification Church. What say you ?

pak yeh said...

Anonymouse no.4 said :,

The Muslim scholar Cyril Glassé states:

As regards the "Gospel of Barnabas" itself, there is no question that it is a medieval forgery. A complete Italian manuscript exists which appears to be a translation from a Spanish original (which exists in part), written to curry favor with Muslims of the time. It contains anachronisms which can date only from the Middle Ages and not before, and shows a garbled comprehension of Islamic doctrines, calling the Prophet "the Messiah", which Islam does not claim for him. Besides its farcical notion of sacred history, stylistically it is a mediocre parody of the Gospels, as the writings of Baha'Allah are of the Koran.

That is just an opinion without any evidence or proofs.
If the original Gospel in Aramic is unavailable, it means that the other Gospels cannot be verified of its authenticity.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous no 5 said :
Pinocchio, Tom Sawyer and other characters have been converted to Islam in new versions of 100 classic stories on the Turkish school curriculum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527697/Pinocchio-and-friends-converted-to-Islam.html

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See how desperate some people are , trying even to Islamise the characters in fairy tales. Tsk, tsk.

God does not need such help from puny humams
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What nonsense are you talking about??? Those books are fairy tales and has nothing to do with religion.
Christians have translated many Muslim books too. Your comment is not at all relevant to this discusion.

pak yeh said...

Yo Christians ! The verses below have not been debated yet.

1)Jesus is saying he will send somebody else called the Comforted/Helper/Advocate.Read the proof :-
John 14:16 "And i will pray the Father,and He will give you another "Comforter",that he may abide with you forever."

2)Jesus says he will go and not come any more. So there is no 2nd coming of jesus.So there is to be another prophet. Read the proof:-
John 16:7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth.It is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away,the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart. I will send him unto you.

Its cristal clear from the two verses above,that Jesus predicted the coming of another prophet.
If you belief in Jesus,you have to belief what he said in the two verses above.
If you disagree with what I say, just zoom on to the two verses first and explain the two verses.
Please dont quote other verses which are not relevan.

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh,

Your mind has jammed, you are taking the two verses out of context.

Inspite of showing you the existance of the Bible in Aramic and also the Aramic word for Comforter or advocate does not have the name of Muhammad,you mind just cannot comprehend and just stick to the two verses taking it out of context.

My perception is that you are in a state of DENIAL , shocked I suppose.

Salam, bro.

Anonymous said...

first of all Pak Yeh, u must realise that you are full of crap.You can't have it 2 ways.Either the Bible is wrong or the Bible is right.You cant take something and try to comply to Quran and yet say some things that do not.In the end stand to what u believe in..that Quran is the one and only true scripture from God.your obsession for reference from the Bible is quite comical.This is where i think u can tutup kedai just like the many warongs who tried selling pau panas and vaday.

pak yeh said...

Anonymiuse said:
Your mind has jammed, you are taking the two verses out of context.

Where got out of context.Show proof lah!Your mind has jammed because got no proof lah!

Anonymous said:
Inspite of showing you the existance of the Bible in Aramic and also the Aramic word for Comforter or advocate does not have the name of Muhammad,you mind just cannot comprehend and just stick to the two verses taking it out of context.

My perception is that you are in a state of DENIAL , shocked I suppose.

Aiiyah .Where got Aramic Bible ah?The gospel of Banabas says the Comforter is Mehmat. Thats the Aramic name lah.But even so it is a translated copy.You Christians like to change names and meaning from the original Aramic. I check out ever Christian book store lah. The Pope probly has burned all the Aramic Gospels.Without the original the meaning can be easily changed.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said:
first of all Pak Yeh, u must realise that you are full of crap.You can't have it 2 ways.Either the Bible is wrong or the Bible is right.You cant take something and try to comply to Quran and yet say some things that do not.In the end stand to what u believe in..that Quran is the one and only true scripture from God.your obsession for reference from the Bible is quite comical.This is where i think u can tutup kedai just like the many warongs who tried selling pau panas and vaday.

Why brader are you talking crap.??? To personal attack me when I am just telling you of Jesus message is an act of stupidity.You should instead bebate on the message.
Dont make fellow Christians look so dumb lah.

matthew said...

"The Gospel of Pak Yeh is from the Spirit of Truth.Those that reject it will go to hell."

The great Prophet(pbuh) himself would be rolling in his grave. Even if you do not submit to any religion, please be mindful of your tongue.

As for the whole write up, it is only in your OPINION, please do not pass it out as FACTS. What makes you think that "The Comforter" will be Prophet Mohammad? Can it not be another? Can it not be a mere mortal?

And one last thing, please do not just translate the verses in situ. You loose the bigger picture and thus the meaning.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said :
"The Gospel of Pak Yeh is from the Spirit of Truth.Those that reject it will go to hell."

The great Prophet(pbuh) himself would be rolling in his grave. Even if you do not submit to any religion, please be mindful of your tongue.

What you do not understand is that the God speaks through man.What is good is considered from the Spirit of Truth one of the aspects of God.
The gospel is but an opinion of the truth by Paul,John etc by the historical fact that Jesus himself was not able to edit or authourise a book of his own.As such there are many versions of the gospel and each varies a great deal and cannot be summarised into one.The gospel is like someones dairy.The original texts in aramaic is also missing.As such according to History the Gospel is the product of Constantine and the Nicean Creed, 400 years after Jesus death.

vicky voo said...

What i understand is: your God speaks through man. And that man is you Pak Yeh.

Oh god, i think you should start a new true Muslim religion altogether.

No need to prove the Bible or whatever.

You really, really do not need to dis-prove one religion to "prove" another!

Sheeesh!

Hey, did Satan put you up to this?

pak yeh said...

Dear vicky voo,
You misunderstood me.You dont agree, give your opinion with proofs from history, the scriptures or logic..

pak yeh said...

Dear vicky voo,
Vicky voo said :
You really, really do not need to dis-prove one religion to "prove" another!

Pak yeh said :
Why not ? Allah Himself, in the Quran does the same about Christianity and Judaism.
Why dont you try to disprove those statement instead of fuming over it.If you cannot the accept what I say and what the Quran say as the truth.