The reason why I am debating RPK on my blog is because I cannot debate him on his blog. That is also because he is too chicken/hen (kek,kok,kek,kok) to debate with me.
1) A commentator said:
Dear RPK,
I did read through The People's Voice and The People's Declaration you attached, but nowhere in those documents does it explain what is meant by 'political reform'. So maybe you should explain the meaning of the phrase so that, you know, we'll understand what the hell you're trying to say. (A comment by ‘Petman’)
Pak Yehs comments.
RPK is fighting for The People's Declaration which is a general statement and a repeat of our constitution already in place but corrupted by amendments. Out of ignorance,or maybe ulterior motives (bought by UMNO/BN), RPK is even willing to jeopardise Pakatan Rakyat and ABU just to have his way. This guy RPK is rocking the boat of reformation in Malaysia.Somebody has to stop him.
As an Engineer like Petman, I fail to see any reforms stated in "The People's Declaration" as it is non specific. Engineers prefer to see things in detail, like the "British Standards of Engineering". You cannot demand reforms/ improved engineering without written standards. Agree.?
What is the point of stating that you want minimum pay without stating how much is the minimum pay.??? That is exactly what "The People's Declaration" did and it serves no porpose at all.
Now what RPK should be talking about is reforms in the economic terms. For what is politics and democracy, but "the power to manage the economy for the beterment of all".
The economic system adopted by UMNO/BN is the Capitalist economic system inherited from the British Colonist. So it only manages the economy for the betterment of the colonialist and the Capitalist Class/Cronies. This is the root cause of our problems. Adressing other issues are ineffective.But adressing the economic reforms is the proper procedure in asking for reforms.
When all plantations are in the hands of the British companies and a few Indian Rubber Capitalist, Tun Abdul Razak made a reform by implementing the peoples economy in the form of FELDA. This is the type of reforms we need. Reforms such as article 153, is ineffective as it only makes the Malays a sleeping idiotic minority share holder. in a British, Chinese or Indian company.
RPK should pursue economic reforms such as Communist/Socialist economics. Instead, he talks about the culture such as Enlightenment and Romanticism. This is like talking about the symptoms of a disease rather that the disease itself. I bet RPK have not studied Total Quality Management and so is unaware about" root cause analysis" before a problem can successfully be solved .
RPK's vision in politics and reformation is blurred.! Put on a new pair of glasses RPK.! Or better still learn from the Enlightenment Culture as per Quran 39:18 " Listen to all views. Choose the best. These are the guided and the intelligent." The trouble with you is that yuo only listen to yourself. You dont even want to listen to Allah on Quran 39:18. That explains your actions in deleting of comments at Malaysia Today.
The prophet Mohammad was the greatest example of an economic and cultural Reformer and a Revolutioneer. The way of Mohammad was to imbed logical thinking by destroying trinity dogmas and mythology, especially in the Christian religion. This later gave birth to the Muslim Philosophical revolution that later influenced the Western Science and Enlightenment.
You dont need to ape the Western enlightenment RPK. They are Atheistic in nature. I suppose you want to legalize LGBTs too.??? Please read my advice to you an the likes of you @
http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2012/06/lgbt-truth-for-rpkhi-and-hr.html
Mao Tze Tung is another economic Reformer and Revolutioneer. We are told that Mao and the Communist are evil when in fact they are the good guys "The enemy of your enemy is your friend". Almost all countries that had an "Economic Revolution" implementing Socialist/Communist economics became Super Powers States such as America,France,Russia,China and Britain too.
So, should we not have economic reforms or revolution like those Super Powers States had done before???.
Should you not rewrite your Peoples Declaration to include specifics/details about the economic policy, whether Communist, Socialist or Islamnomics ( http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2009/04/kafirnomics-vs-islamnomics.html ) ???
2) Let us refer to the posting below to asses RPK's logic or illogic..
written by Super Admin, July 16, 2012 01:36:00
‘Noble House’ said, “We can't be talking about any political or
electoral reforms without first having a clean electoral roll in place.”
RPK said :
I think ‘Noble House’ has got it back-to-front. We do need to first talk about political reforms. Unless we talk about political reforms we will never see, as ‘Noble House’ said, ‘a clean electoral roll in place’.
The criteria for being able to see ‘a clean electoral roll in place’ is to first achieve political reforms. Without political reforms you will never see electoral reforms, and hence, ‘a clean electoral roll in place’.
So you see, ‘Noble House’, when there are political reforms there will be electoral reforms and when there are electoral reforms we will see ‘a clean electoral roll in place’. One follows the other. And the last cannot be achieved without the first.
I think ‘Noble House’ has got it back-to-front. We do need to first talk about political reforms. Unless we talk about political reforms we will never see, as ‘Noble House’ said, ‘a clean electoral roll in place’.
The criteria for being able to see ‘a clean electoral roll in place’ is to first achieve political reforms. Without political reforms you will never see electoral reforms, and hence, ‘a clean electoral roll in place’.
So you see, ‘Noble House’, when there are political reforms there will be electoral reforms and when there are electoral reforms we will see ‘a clean electoral roll in place’. One follows the other. And the last cannot be achieved without the first.
Pak Yeh's comments.:
RPK uses the "chicken and egg" debate which is typical only to the chicken problem.but this is a mankind democracy problem, and hence needs a mankind solution to it.
The first political reform needed is the electoral reforms. Period.! Even economic reforms as I have stated above can wait. That is if elections fraud is the rootcause of the failed democracy. That too, if you are able to reform it. If you are not able to do it,then you need to have a revolution. Elections is just a tool or system of democracy. You can even replace it with, the "bayat sistem of the sufis", an independent survey, or online voting system.
Waiting for everybody in Pakatan Rakyat and including UMNO to reform first before elections can be reformed is like doing nothing, and is pure ignorance and madness. It is like saying everyone has to be a Christian or Muslim first before we can reform. What bunkum bulshit.!
Looks like RPK has gone off his rocker this time.!
Lets asses RPK's logic or illogic again, in the debate below.
People trying to learn from the Europeans’ 'political reforms' should
also learn from the other aspects of the same history. One of which is
those reforms took hundreds of years to materialise.
When it comes to picking alternative rulers, people may have to make the unsavoury decision of picking the lesser of 2 evils but understand that it is still a much better way forward than retaining a set of greater thieves as tuans simply because both alternatives have thief-like tendencies.
For if we adopt the 'always pick the lesser of 2 evils' approach and repeat it often enough we will end up with a much better set of leaders over time. We may not achieve nirvana for ourselves but we can at least plant the seeds for the people that come after us. That has been the history of progress and work of good men throughout human history.
When it comes to picking alternative rulers, people may have to make the unsavoury decision of picking the lesser of 2 evils but understand that it is still a much better way forward than retaining a set of greater thieves as tuans simply because both alternatives have thief-like tendencies.
For if we adopt the 'always pick the lesser of 2 evils' approach and repeat it often enough we will end up with a much better set of leaders over time. We may not achieve nirvana for ourselves but we can at least plant the seeds for the people that come after us. That has been the history of progress and work of good men throughout human history.
RPK's reply :
written by Super Admin, July 16, 2012 22:18:51
gen, people who say that the alternative is to choose the lesser of the two evils are intellectually lazy people and people bankrupt of ideas. These types of people want to look at only two choices rather than ponder and explore the other possible alternatives. Do you want to go to heaven or do you want to go to hell? Two choices. If you want to go to heaven then listen to me. If you don't listen to me then you will go to hell. See how simple it is when you only have to worry about two choices? You are confronted with two bad choices. So you choose what you imagine as the lesser of the two bad choices. It is the lazy way out of the situation and the choice of people who do not have the ability to think. It is the idiot's guide to getting through life.
Pak Yehs comment.
gen had given a logical method of making goog choice by choosing the lesser of evil each election time untill we can get a perfect party or leader. Yet RPK rubishes it. Like I said before RPK only listens to himself.
So this what happens to Malaysia Today commentators..
written by Saint, July 16, 2012 23:47:38
Dear RPK, let us assume we are all idiots, so why not you behave
like the smart know all UMNOBN and tell us whom to vote in the next
elections. Maybe we just might do that out of our assumed stupidity.
Keh,keh,keh. The cat is out of the box. You have shown your true UMNO colours.
Salam Encik RPK. "Sayang anak/brother pukul2kan". heh,heh,heh.
