Sunday, December 2, 2012

The "Jesus Principle" in Islam pt2.

When you are about to chop of the hand,
Of  thieves  who are our sons and daughters.
Can you not have some compassion?
Tears and misery, jobless without a hand.!

When you are about to chop of the head,
Of a Muslim guilty of apostacy.
Can you not have some compassion.?
Why kill a person destined for hell.?

When your women do not wear hijab,
Weather is humid,sweat smells bad.
Can you not have some compassion,?
Didn't God say there is no compulsion.?

The thief steals because he is poor.
Are we not the cause of his poverty.?
Can you not have some compassion.?
Capitalist governments steals from the poor.!

The adulterer did not kill anyone.
Why then do you kill him.?
Can you not have some compasion.?
Who will feed his wife and children.?

But Allah didn't say "Kill the apostates and adulterers".
Bukhari Muslim says, "Kill the apostates and adulterers".
Is Bukhari Muslim your God, Oh Muslims.?
Isn't God's Law from God's words,the Quran.?



10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Adlulterer did not kill someone but why must we kill him.

Only married adulterer either man or women,the punishment is we stone to death.This was mention clearly in Taurat or old testement of the jew.Rasuallah implement the same punishment to Muiz Malek and the jew who commit zina.because theynare married,
If he screwed the marred women and she give birth,what will happern to this illigetimate child.What will happen to our future generation.

If Rasuallah implement the punisment by stoning Muiz to dearth,And Allah didnot send any wahyu to correct it.That mean what Rasuallh did is correct.

Pak Yeh,you dont used our brain to try to understand and tafsir Al Quran.The best person ro interpreted Quran is Rasuallah saw.He received the wahyu and he is in directed communication with Allah.We just follow.

Vary difficult for you to understand because you dont believe in Prophet Muhammad saw traditions or in english we called it ways of life.

You belong to the group of orientalist who tried to questions the Quran and Prophet tradition.You can try but hundred of million Muslim all over the world dony believe you.
Shok Sendiri macan you Flying kite.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3wRqtK_qTc&feature=share

Anonymous said...

Please contact me on this email for further discussions about your sceptical ideass..with full respect . Professor Khairuddin zkhoja, Qatar University

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said:
If Rasuallah implement the punisment by stoning Muiz to dearth,And Allah didnot send any wahyu to correct it.That mean what Rasuallh did is correct.

Pak Yehs reply:
Are you sure.? Hadis were never heard of or used for 300 years.
Any hadis collected by Bukhari Muslim after 300 years, are what Judges and Lawyers say hearsay, and cannot be used in any court of law.
Can you accept the witness of someone about an incident that happened 300 years ago.???

Besides there is evidence that the prophet and the Kalifahs banned/burned the hadis Refer @..
http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-ban-burn-of-hadis.html
Please debate it if you have some debating skills.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...
Please contact me on this email for further discussions about your sceptical ideass..with full respect . Professor Khairuddin zkhoja, Qatar University

Pak Yehs reply:
You did not give me your email.
Anyway, I prefer you to debate and refute my article @..
http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-ban-burn-of-hadis.html

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said:
You belong to the group of orientalist who tried to questions the Quran and Prophet tradition.You can try but hundred of million Muslim all over the world dony believe you.
Shok Sendiri macan you Flying kite.

Pak Yehs reply:
That is a stupid opinion with no debating and proofs from the Quran.
If you cannot debate with Quranic proofs, you better shut up and accept that you are stupid.
Stupid people are not allowed to comment here.Nobody wants to listen to stupid comments.

Annakholat Atastokhdevishizar said...

regarding cutting off thieves hands for stealing, some debated it should not be a blanket ruling. the punishment should be fitted with crime. is it justice when we cut off a thief's who stole a few ringgit and do the same to a thief who stole a million? there are also opinions of cutting off hand should not be done to first time offenders. i'm not really sure about this whole issue although they do have a point.

'If Rasuallah implement the punisment by stoning Muiz to dearth,And Allah didnot send any wahyu to correct it.That mean what Rasuallh did is correct.'
- refer 7:203-204 and 36:69-70 and 69:44-47. Rasullah cannot make his own teachings w/o consulting the Quran. if its not in the Quran, then the ruling is not from Allah and thus debateable.

why mustn't we use our brain to understand the Quran when Allah has said so in 10:100 and many other verses? wisdom is for those who seek it sincerely not strictly for the scholars or imams.
why did you take scholars and imams or ustazs as your lord instead of Allah? can't you reflect on 9:31 and 47:16?

'The best person ro interpreted Quran is Rasuallah saw.He received the wahyu and he is in directed communication with Allah.We just follow.'
-not right. Even Rasullah do not know the exact and bit by bit Quran interpretation. only Allah knows it all. please refer 3:7

while we must understand Quran using our brain, we must make sure our understanding is consistent and do not conflict with other Quranic verses. therefore, we must have patience when studying and understanding the Quran.

the saddest part of people who follow hadith/ tradition is that they use little legitimate arguments and a lot of name calling and cursing. well, we really can't blame them since they have been brainwashed not to use their brain much. if only they understand 8:22 and 25:44

pak yeh said...

Salam Annokholat,
Thank you for your sharing your Quranic knowledge with us.

Yes I agree that we should not be dependent on Ulamas, like Catholics are dependent on Pope and priesthood, and like Jews depend on Rabbis.
We should all be Ulamas and when everybody is an Ulama, no Ulama will monopoly information about God and His deen/religion.
Infact in this mordern internet age, it is so easy to be an Ulama,by pressing buttons on your computer, and "Sheikh Google" is there to teach you,24 hours a day 365 days a year.
Ulamas are now a dying breed of dinosaurs that cannot survive modern internet times.
The sooner they understand this the better it is for them.

pak yeh said...

Salam Anakholat.
I agree that the chopping of the hand for thieves is in the Quran but other verses in the Quran make it an option. Read my article @...
http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2008/11/hardying-and-softyang-of-islamic-law.html

The poor thieves should not have their hands chopped off. Only the rich theives,who dont need to work shall have his hands chopped off, that too if its his 2nd theft.
Chopping off rich corrupt government officials/Ministers is okay because they have betrayed the trust of the rakyat and also as a deterent.

pak yeh said...

Salam all,
About the chopping of the hand of the thief, nowadays, it is the Capitalist Governments that steals from the poor.
How does this happen. DrM builds KLCC,PutraJaya,KL towers,Bakun Dam,KLIA all at the same time. The country is in debts. Money printed and spent is double.triple the money coming in(taxes).
Intenational money regulators can see this, So the ringgit takes a plunge to a third of its real value.
This means Dr Ms government have robbed/stoleh two thirds of every Ringgit from the rakyat.
So according to Islamic Law, Dr M and Anwar,because he was the Finance Minister, should have their hand cut off.!!!
What say you my brothers and sisters in Islam.???
Agree.???

So by Islamic law a, How does this happen