Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Christian Changing God's name Is Deception

Yeah.the Christians want to change their God's name again. The leader this time being Lim Guan Eng the DAP Chief Minister of Penang.. Being a Christian himself, it has made him blind to the truth and stupider than being a Chinese. !!!

Don't Christians  understand that it is illegal and devious to change someones name, and even more so your God's name.???
Doing that could land them in hell if their God Yaweh disagree with the name change.!!!

Christians have changed Yaweh's name to  Father, And then they made Jesus the son of the Father./God.!!! Not only that, by calling their Priest Father,they thus made their Priests a God too.!!!
They also made the Holy Ghost/Pontianak a god.!!!
 I am sure Yaweh is angry about that because Yaweh is a One God.!!!Refer Bible,..
Isaiah 45:10,11,12.
"I am the only god. There is none before Me and none after Me.And there is no Savior accept Me".

The same deception will happen when Christians change their God's name to Allah. Allah will then also be given the name Father. Then Jesus can be made the son. And by calling their Priest Father, the Priests get to be Allah too.!!! You think Allah would like this.???

This is what Christian deception is about. They must have learned this deception trick from Hitler's Propoganda Minister,Joeseph Geobbles, who said,"A lie repeated many times, becomes a truth."
They must have learned this deception trick from Satan too, because Satan is the Chief Deceiver.
Refer Quran.31:33 "... nor let the Chief Deceiver (Satan) deceive you about Allah."
          Quran 35:5 "O men! certainly the promise of Allah is true, Let not then this present life deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver deceive you about Allah."

Allah in the Quran does not mind using His name as the One God, but He/Allah definitely abhors those who say he has a son, and those who say he is a Trinity sharing his powers with a "dead Jesus" and a "Holy Pontianak/Ghost".
The Quran verses below states Allah's anger with Christians.
Quran  5:72 and 5:73,   (Proof that Jesus is not God and Allah is not a trinity.)
"They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers. (72) They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve."(73)
Quran 112: (Proof that Allah has no son.)
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
"Say: He is Allah, the One! (1) Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2) He begetteth not(give birth) nor was begotten(born). (3) And there is none comparable unto Him." (4)

So what is the reason for Christians changing the Christian God's name Yaweh to Allah.???
The reason is clearly debated by KTemoc. an intelligent unbiased Athiest @

http://ktemoc.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/now-who-are-arab-wannabes.html

This guy is more clear thinking than the PAS Ulamas who only recently U turn on the decision to allow Christians to use Allah.

Read more on this issue @

 http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2010/01/christian-abuse-of-allah-and-other.html

http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2010/11/dailog-on-use-of-allah-by-mischeif.html

http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2011/03/beza-antara-merebut-nama-allah-dan.html

http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2011/08/dumc-raid-and-blaspheming-of-allah-and.html

147 comments:

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIn3pBsd-SA

Whats your comment ?.

He is the I AM said...

Allah in the Quran does not mind using His name as the One God, but He/Allah definitely abhors those who say he has a son, and those who say he is a Trinity sharing his powers with a "dead Jesus" and a "Holy Pontianak/Ghost".

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Ai yo, Allah told you that in a dream ?.By the way, where is the logic ?, Allah is all powerful so is it impossible for him to be 3 in 1 ?. Why do you think Allah must be like man after all he is not.

What do you limit the power of Allah to that of a mere human being ?.

Muslims are coming to Allah not because the Christian evangelists preached to them but because He is appearing to them in dreams and calling them to Him.

Pak Yeh, if you are sincere, why don't you pray to Allah and ask him to reveal who He is, so that you may know.

Ask Him presonally and hear what He says to you.

Don't just claim that its in the Koran. If you sincerely believe that Allah is a living God, then ask Him yourself.

pak yeh said...

Mr He is I am,
All that I said is supported by the Quran. I did not dream it out.
It is Allah Himself that abhors Christian blaspemy against all One God including the Bible One God Yaweh/Elohim.degrading Him The 1 God into 1/3 of a God.
Allah abhors Christian/Catholic worship: Proof:refer...
Quran 5:161 Jesus says "Did you say to them,to worship me and my Mother as Gods in derogation of Allah.?"

Quran 9:31 "They take their Priests and authorities to be thier Lord is derogation of Allah."

Quran 31:3 "That is because Allah is the ONLY REALITY and He curse whatever else they invoke beside Him as false God."

Quran 5:73 "They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve."

Quran 3:78 "And lo! there is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.

I do speak to God and seek God in every religion and God says the Quran is His word. Minor translation errors do occur, but we can always refer to the original in Arabic. The Christians cannot do this because the original Gospel is in Latin.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIn3pBsd-SA

Whats your comment ?

I am bringing you to the word of the Oneness of God in the Bible Old Testament and in the Quran, while you belief in man's false words/fictional films made by lying Christians.
Please heed Gods words in Bible Old Testament and Quran on oneness of God. Trinity is a Joeseph Geobbels Principle "A lie repeated many times,becomes a truth"
Christian Gospel is full of this Joeseph Geobbels Principle.

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymous,
Christians trying to depict Muslims as terrorist is deception, the handy work of Satan, the Chief Deceiver.

History depicts Christians as the most blood thirsty terrorists.
Examples...
1) The Madieval/Spanish/Roman/Potugeise Inquistion which kill/burned many Unitarian Christians,Protestant Christian,Muslims and Jews endorsed by the Pope.
2)Crusades is christians kiling Muslims endorsed by the Pope.
3)The 1st and 2nd World Wars are Christians killing Christians and non Christians on a conquest spree.
4)Christianity/Catholic spread by the sword and the gun in South America.
5)The Iraq war was based on lies of "weapons of mass destruction" planned by America (Christians) to rob Iraqis of their oil.
6)The 7/11 was planned by Americans(Christians),bombing the World Trade Center from under, so that America(Christians) can have a reason to go to war with Afganistan(Muslims).

These historical facts show that the "fruits" of the Christians are poison and that CHRISTIANS ARE THE MOST BLOODTHIRSTY TERRORIST in the whole wide world, from time memorable.

Anonymous said...

Sikh religion also use name of Allah in their holy book....

so wat you say Warong Pak Teh....???

U kena faham, Allah ni orang Borneo yang nak pakai as God, bukan orang asal semenanjung....

Allah in Arabic means God.... Christian Arabs pakai nama Allah jugak....

Kenapa sungguh mundur pemikiran ni...???

Macam katak bawah tempurung....

Anonymous said...

Sikh religion also use name of Allah in their holy book....

so wat you say Warong Pak Teh....???

U kena faham, Allah ni orang Borneo yang nak pakai as God, bukan orang asal semenanjung....

Allah in Arabic means God.... Christian Arabs pakai nama Allah jugak....

Kenapa sungguh mundur pemikiran ni...???

Macam katak bawah tempurung....

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...
Sikh religion also use name of Allah in their holy book....
so wat you say Warong Pak Teh....???

Pak Yeh reply:
If you read history. Sikism is a sect of Islam.
Besides Sikhs use Allah as the "One God" meaning. They do not Trinity or make Allah a third of Himself, having to share His Power with a dead jesus and a Holy Pontianak.Sikhs also dont have Christian Greek cock and bull story saying God raped Mary, a mortal and had a bastard son calld Jesus,who died on the cross and is still dead, never to be seen again.

Anonymous said:
U kena faham, Allah ni orang Borneo yang nak pakai as God, bukan orang asal semenanjung....

Pak Yehs reply:
You can use Allah as the Christian One God.But yu cannot abuse the word Allah with your cock and bull stories that are totally illogical. THE BIBLE DOES NOT USE ALLAH.IT WAS DUTCH AND BRITISH MISCHIEF THAT MISTRANSLATED THE BIBLE TO USE ALLAH.
Besides Borneo Christians are blaspheming Allah with cock and bull stories.

Anonymous said:
Allah in Arabic means God.... Christian Arabs pakai nama Allah jugak....

Pak Yehs reply;
That does not mean it is right.THE ORIGINAL BIBLE DOES NOT USE ALLAH.YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOUR GOD"S NAME. IT IS IMMORAL AND MISCHIEF< THE HANDY WORK OF SATAN.

akupun said...

Some said:
Ai yo, Allah told you that in a dream ?.By the way, where is the logic ?

Reply,it was said in bible its self,that Jesus is not a God

Gospel of matthew Chap 12 verse:28
"12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God"
-If jesus was himself God,why bother calling other spirit,he can just say 'with the spirit of me'.

In Gospel of luke chap:11 vrs 20
" But if I with the finger of God cast out devils"

gospel of john ch5 v30:
"I can do nothing on my own.."
-According to priest he is God, but yet can do nothing,is god week?Thats proving he is human.

Book of Acts 2:22
"“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth "was a man" accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know."

And there are many more,so if u try to bring any verse that saying that he is God,it will be contradicting yr own bible,and will waste our time on debating it.I just want to answer this all not coming from dream.

So in the context of topic,if Name of Allah that u claim can be use by christians is one and only,He begets not, and neither is He begotten,then we shud not have any objection.BUT,if it is otherwise,then any dumb pas who support LGE is a dumb too.

pak yeh said...

Yeehaaa.!!! akupun.
That is the spirit.!!! Christians are Muslims gone "sesat"/misled by the Devil.All Muslims shoud demonstrate against Christian abuse and blasphemy of Allah. To be quite is to agree with Christian immorally changing their God's name to Allah.!!!

Make sure you bring this matter with PAS and Muslim NGOs.

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh,

so are you saying, its fine for sikh to use Allah..... hahahaha

wat a joke....

Anonymous said...

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PS syed mokhtar is arab not malay....

instead of talking about trivial issues, take a look at the financial position of the government.... negara berhutang ... greece no 2 is malaysia soon....

party while u can.... bile merempat, pemimpin umno semua bersenang lenang di australia, uk dan USA.... negara2 kafir yang dibenci oleh kebanyakan muslim...

akupun said...

:-)
when talking about Sikh,he forget to mention that Sikhism is strictly monotheistic,sikh is unlike Christians with their trinity,sikh is against idol worship,they believe in concept of 1 god,no begets nor begotten,sikhism believe in War for righteousness. Sikhs call it Dharam Yudha and Muslims call it Jihad.Sikhism reject that their spiritual teachers or prophets were God,they Pray to Allah/Waheguru but not to their Gurus or Hazrats,sikh respect them and follow their teachings as acc .to them those teachings were given by God to them, but never worship them.Unlike Cristian who worship jesus,a messenger/prophet.

Try talk to any sikh u want to use their waheguru name for 3 christian god,he will slap u just in time and say, rrrrepent(like karpal singh)..hehe..

I'll stop there,beyond that is dissimilarity.Why be parted because of that?

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh,

so are you saying, its fine for sikh to use Allah..... hahahaha

wat a joke....

Pak Yehs reply :
The joke is on you Christians. Sikhs use the word. Christians abuse the word.Christian with their bullshit mythology of God raping a mortal and having a bastard son are idiots compared to Sikhs.
Ha,ha,ha. back to you.

Anonymous said...

‎5 Ways To Enter Jannah:
-Firstly I would like to ask Allah to help myself and you to perform these actions, to make it easy upon us and accept it from us Ameen.

1/2) Faith in Allah and the performance of Good Deeds. These are put together as they are closely linked. You cannot have true faith without good deeds as Allah says in the Quran (2:82):
"Those who believe and do righteous deeds, they are the dwellers of Paradise, they will dwell therein forever"

3) Piety or Taqwa this means to fear Allah's punishment and to obey Him through the Quran and Sunnah.
Allah says in the Quran (Hijr:45):
"Truly the Pious will be amidst Gardens and Water springs"

And prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
"Fear of Allah and good character most commonly brings people to Jannah, and the mouth and private parts most commonly brings people to the Hell fire.
(Reported by Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah and Imam Ahmed)

4) Obedience To Allah And His Messenger (SAW) is a necessary factor to enter Jannah as Allah Says In The Quran (48:17) towards the end of the Ayah:
"And whosoever obeys Allah and His messenger, He will admit him to Gardens beneath which rivers flow"

5) Jihad for the Sake of Allah by giving our Wealth and Lives in the Cause of Allah for example giving in charity for the sake of Allah NOT to gain appreciation by the people.

Allah says in the Quran (61:10-12):
"O you who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom? You should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with you wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if you did but know. He will forgive your sins and bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Gardens of Eden. That is a supreme triumph."

Pak Yeh.Check have you met these 5 creteria to enter Paradise.I doubt since you dont believe in Sunnah Rasuallah and you dont pray.

Repent before you die.My sincere advice.

No need to debate about Allah issue.The Quran and Rasuallah saw did not ask his ummah o waste time,debating a non issue subject a non issue in Islam.

Anonymous said...

Faith is the act of believing and religion is the institution through which faith sometimes operates through. Faith can operate without religion. [...]

There were numerous things that did not sit right with me; things that did not seem just or fair, despite what religion claimed. Teachers would often use God as their trump card to get students to do their bidding. [...]



... Religion is used as an additional divisive tool, not just by politicians but also by the average Joe. Overeager evangelical actions carried out by the average person working in the name of faith, despite having good intentions, often upset other parties. The reason for this is often because the evangelist has a presupposed notion of superiority.

I too posted my views more than a month ago in Faith & salvation, a kaytee special wakakaka on the subject of 'leaps of faith', those of gi-normous Grand Canyon-ish dimensions as required particularly by the Abrahamic religions and those of teeny weeny longkang-size lompat for Buddhist and Jainist beliefs, ...



... while the tricky Chinese (non Abrahamic) religionists have their even more trickier religions, tap-dancing around the issue of faith, wakakaka.

From the above discussions, I think we have four words to consider in religions (except those tricky Chinese religions), faith, evidence, logic, truth - or indeed, the absence of the latter three.

Whatever, if any blame needs to be apportioned, well, let's blame it on those ancient Egyptians. Note I stated 'ancient' Egyptians, not the current Egyptians who are Arabs. The ancient Egyptians were not Arabs.

An aside, once I had toyed around with a series of posts questioning mainstream biblical narrations, titled 'who was Abrahim?'. I went up to 21 posts but wearied of the amount of reading and cross referencing I had to do, decided to switch to and focus on socio-politics in this blog. But if you like to read them, provided you won't be offended by the liberal discussions of Old Testament biblical characters, you will find all 21 posts filed in Back to Abraham soon! (which I may, that is, return to finish/complete the series)



angel stopping Abraham from sacrificing his son Isaac to god

alan yeap at Malaysia Today should note this was another case of an angel talking to a prophet

and the angel was not even an archangel, wakakaka

Anyway, why should we blame those ancient Egyptians for the issue of faith versus evidence (proof), logic or truth in religions?









hieratic script


pak yeh said...

Anonymous Fri Jan 04, 01:59:00 PM GMT+08:00

Your comment has nothing to do with the issue. You are not debating what i have wrote.
For your info, I have done more good deeds than you specified. I do not tell lies about Allah, by saying He has a so,and that He shares His power with a dead Jesus and a Holy Pontianak,like what you Christians do.How can you use Allahs name when you say all this stupid cock and bull stories,like God raped(never maried) and had a son called Jesus. its mind bogglingly stupid.
I

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Fri Jan 04, 02:16:00 PM GMT+08:00

Thank you for sharing an intelliget comment, unlike the Christians.
Who is soo stupid to believe God rapes(doing it without consent) Mary and had a bastard son named Jesus.Christians have flipprd their mind.That is because they refuse to use their mind, becoming like cattle.
Wakakaka.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Fri Jan 04, 01:59:00 PM GMT+08:00 said:

Pak Yeh.Check have you met these 5 creteria to enter Paradise.I doubt since you dont believe in Sunnah Rasuallah and you dont pray.

Pak Yehs reply :
No problem I met all 5 and more.I do ZikirAllah and ZikirAllah is graeter than solat.refer AlAnkabut 45.
I believe in the Sunnah of the prophet Mohammad as specified in the Quran. The hadis of Bukhari Muslim.??The prophet and the sahabahs banned and burned it. Allah too fobid the use of "lahwal hadis"(Bukhari Muslim Hadis)or any other man's hadis.Refer Quran 31:6 and Qoran18:26.

Anonymous said...

sikhs pray to Allah?? The name was attached so that Moslems will be not cruel and kill them as to show that they pray to the same god...

Sikh religion came after arabs and turks start to invade regions in India, mainly killing Hindus and Animist and forced to convert...

The name Hindu Kush Mountain Range meaning Kush ...slaughter...

when die, Abrahamic religion followers will realize what preached on planet Earth is not the same during discovery after Death....

Isu Allah, Jesus, Sikh or whatever is not important as Rasuah, Duit, Air, Rumah, Job, bankrap etc....

get a life....
The crescent and Moon symbol can be seen on Shiva's image.... wat u say...

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...

sikhs pray to Allah?? The name was attached so that Moslems will be not cruel and kill them as to show that they pray to the same god...

Sikh religion came after arabs and turks start to invade regions in India, mainly killing Hindus and Animist and forced to convert..

Pak Yehs reply
Muslim are not cruel and do not spread Islam by the sword.Only Christians Inquisition and conquest, and Hippocratic Kings do that.Many verses in the Quran proof that,one of it is Quran 2:256"There is no compulsion in religion".

Anonymous said:

The crescent and Moon symbol can be seen on Shiva's image.... wat u say...

Pak Yeh s reply:
You are right. Muslims should not use cresent moon symbols.There appears to be some corruption in Muslim traditions.It is the symbol of Al Lat, the moon god.That practice is unIslamic,because the Quran does not say so.That tradition is the handy work of Hadis Ulamas that misled Muslims from the true Islam..

Anonymous said...

Pak Yehs reply
Muslim are not cruel and do not spread Islam by the sword.Only Christians Inquisition and conquest, and Hippocratic Kings do that.Many verses in the Quran proof that,one of it is Quran 2:256"There is no compulsion in religion".


History shows the cruelty of turks and arabs in regions that now called afghanistan, pakistan and india namely babar and aurangzeb..... eyes poked out and slaughtered... read or google it....

pak yeh said...

Thats Christian historian slander.
The Quran dont say that so whatever they do is not Islam.
Chrsitians slander Communist, but we know Communist are the good guys and Capitalist/Bankers including the Pope that has a money laundering Vatican Bank are the bad guys. It was reported that Dr M and Najib goes to see the Pope for money laundering and perhaps to get theirs sins forgiven.

Anonymous said...

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/apostates.htm

Pak Yeh,

You can twist and turn what you say by quoting from the Koran. I may not be able to refute you as I do not believe nor read the Koran, But there are those who are well versed in the Koran and have found that its not what they consider to be the truth and had left/apostate.

The significance is that not all apostate to Christianity. Many do become aethist. Why don't you debate with them ?.

I am sure they can argue better with you . That is if you dare.

Anonymous said...

Please heed Gods words in Bible Old Testament and Quran on oneness of God. Trinity is a Joeseph Geobbels Principle "A lie repeated many times,becomes a truth"

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Christians always believe in One God.If Jesus/Isa is a mere man, then why is he still healing people ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zzTk_kavuI

Is Muhammad healing anyone today ?.

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUlP7BZAkyU

Pay Yeh, another propaganda ?.

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=fmj_NBayVO8&feature=endscreen

Pak Yeh, are you open enough to finish listening to the youtube ?. Or did you just not open it at all.

If so then how can you say that the Christians have 3 God ?. When they always maintian that they have one ?.

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=fmj_NBayVO8&feature=endscreen

Pak Yeh, are you open enough to finish listening to the youtube ?. Or did you just not open it at all.

If so then how can you say that the Christians have 3 God ?. When they always maintian that they have one ?.

Anonymous said...

Quran 5:161 Jesus says "Did you say to them,to worship me and my Mother as Gods in derogation of Allah.?"....


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Huh ?. I didn't know that Jesus spoke to Muhamad, your prophet. Also did Allah took a writing instrument and pen the Koran , then gave it to your Prophet ?. Just like how Allah gave the Ten Commanments to Moses ?.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said:
Pak Yeh,
You can twist and turn what you say by quoting from the Koran. I may not be able to refute you as I do not believe nor read the Koran,

Pak Yeh's reply:
Then you refute non existence of Trinity in the Bible...
Isaiah 45 verse 10,11,12,
"I am the only god.
There is none before Me and none after Me.
And there is no Savior accept Me".

The verse above proves that Jesus is not a god and the Holy ghost also not agod. It also proves that Jesus is not a Savior. So Christians should not trinitize their own god Yaweh, what more to trinitize Allah.This action is a lie against your Christian god and the Muslim god
So.? You agree that Christians are lying against god.???

Anonymous said:
But there are those who are well versed in the Koran and have found that its not what they consider to be the truth and had left/apostate.
The significance is that not all apostate to Christianity. Many do become aethist. Why don't you debate with them ?.

Pak Yehs reply:
Allah says, it is not for everybody to become Muslims. This world is a testing ground for you to be the followers of the devil or the followers of god.

As for your request to debate with Athiest, that will happen in future in another article, Insha Allah/by God's will.

akupun said...

anon:sikhs pray to Allah?? The name was attached so that Moslems will be not cruel and kill them as to show that they pray to the same god..

This is weak argument,lets say we accept that for awhile,IF really moslem are killer, then because of misuse of Allah name they shud be killing more! because sikh dont pray as moslem,,they dont bear witness Muhammad is messenger of God which is basic belief of Islam,they differ in concept of 'reward/punishment' in Quran,they look like ajaran sesat of Islam,if really moslem are killer at that time, then u will meet no Karpal 'Singh' today..haha..

(Dnt ask again why then can use name of Allah.It is given b4.)

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=fmj_NBayVO8&feature=endscreen

Pak Yeh, are you open enough to finish listening to the youtube ?. Or did you just not open it at all.
If so then how can you say that the Christians have 3 God ?. When they always maintian that they have one ?.

Pak Yeh's reply
I dont know which video you meam. Is itthe Muslim Imam who became a Christian.???
Off course I dont believe it,Its just play acting.
Christians lie about their own god Yaweh, saying that he is a trinity, when he is a unity refer Isaiah 45:10,11,23.
So lying is their hobby.

Anonymous said:
If so then how can you say that the Christians have 3 God ?. When they always maintian that they have one ?

Pak Yeh's reply:
Are you a unitarian Christian.???
You dont belief Jesus is God.???
you dont belief the Holy Ghost is your god.???
You dont believe Jesus is son of god.???
If so then you a a Unitarian Christian.I am talking about Trinitarian Christians in this article.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said:
Christians always believe in One

Pak Yeh reply:
That is trypical Christian lie. First they say they are monotheist/one god named Yaweh. Then they say Jesus is god, and then they say the holy Ghost is god too, besides Yaweh. Is that not 3 gods then.??? You dont know how to count ah.???

Anonymous said:
If Jesus/Isa is a mere man, then why is he still healing people ?

Pak Yeh's reply:
Aiyah.! Nobody aver saw Jesus alive for 2013 years already lah.!!!
What nonsense are you talking.??? You insane/gila or what.???
Dont comment here if you are insane/gila.!!! Hurry up,go to Tanjong Rambutan please.!!!

Anonymous said...

akupun says,

Dnt ask again why then can use name of Allah.It is given b4...

it is not given by moslems,
the sikh guru written ishwar, krishna, allah in their holy book...
so that people wont fight using god s name....

it is well known fact which top 2 religion kill unbelievers n kafirs in the name of God, millions died....

Anonymous said...

Too bad Pak Yeh x bole buat YOGA exercise....

hahahaha

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...

Too bad Pak Yeh x bole buat YOGA exercise....

hahahaha

Pak Yeh's reply:
"Yoga is haram" is not Islamic Law. Islamic Law is only derived from the Quran.Refer Quran 18:26 "He does not make any one His associate in His ‘HUKM’ (Laws and Ruling)."
Yoga is haram is Mufti's Law, a bought by Gomen idiot missinterpreting Islamic Law.

HoWhy is it you Christians cannot debate the issue of Trinity blasphemt/lie against Yaweh your One God in Isaiah 45:10,11,12.
You already lost the debate then.!!!
Trinity is a lie then.???

akupun said...

1st u said:

anon:sikhs pray to Allah?? The name was attached so that Moslems will be not cruel and kill them as to show that they pray to the same god..

-u try to create imagination that muslim is a) cruel b)killer.

then 2nd u say:

it is not given by moslems,
the sikh guru written ishwar, krishna, allah in their holy book...
so that people wont fight using god s name....
it is well known fact which top 2 religion kill unbelievers n kafirs in the name of God, millions died....

from yr saying, we can assume that there was a war between them,and what do u expect muslim to do in a war? open their butt and say'common take my arse,its free'? do u expect that?

Again yr argument is weak,why? because u also said that Sikh give name from hindu religion,but why u dont say its given because hindu is cruel/killer? but u use same argument to dgrade Muslim,u are biased and not just.This proove that sikh dont give name to god because fearing of what u said cruel/killers.

And yr point about krisna is wrong,Sikh can never refer god as krisna.The tenth Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh in the Dasam Granth has written a section of Bani called Chobis avatar. This is the seventh Bani in the second holy scriptures of the Sikhs.Krishna Worship is not allowed in sikhs and guru gobind singh even didn't worship krishna.
Quote:
'Wandering through 8.4 million incarnations, Krishna's father Nand was totally exhausted.

Because of his devotion, Krishna was incarnated in his home; how great was the good fortune of this poor man! (1)

You say that Krishna was Nand's son, but whose son was Nand himself?

When there was no earth or ether or the ten directions, where was this Nand then? (1)(Pause)-ssgs pg338.

akupun said...

go hell with yoga, we got tai chi,no body in islam said tai chi is haram..and a lot of exercise method in this world exist which not contradict in islam,why choose ass showing yoga? what,do u think yr arse is big enough to fight with kak Mah arse? kah kah kah...

akupun said...

py:As for your request to debate with Athiest, that will happen in future in another article...

who is atheist? lets debate with them,pls ask 'em to use some name instead of anon. anon is like cattle,every cattle/anon look same..haha..

let me ask in advance,from atheist view we know human origin is from monkey,and monkey from whale(it stop there) i want to know,where and how 1st sperm of whale or anything is come to life? i mean including the genetic code inside it.

Dnt give bullshit answer like this:'thousand of thousand year ago,there was a hurricane in the sea,suddenly a strong lighting struck sea surface,and...jeng jeng..1st sperm is created, because of the lighting!'
(actually those are really answer given by atheist scientist) kah kah kah...but i think it will waste time,to many same kind of debate over internet..never end.

Anonymous said...

akupun,

u talk about sikh gurus?

wat about this incidents.... very compassionate indeed...

Guru Teg Bahadur's Martyrdom (eyes poked out and beheaded)

"lftkhar Kan the Governor of Punjab (1671 to 1675) waged a campaign of terror and converted the Hindus to Islam at the point of the sword. Confident of the Sikh Gurus' invincible resolve to defend universal religious freedom, a delegation of sixteen Brahmins led by Kirpa Ram, beseeched Guru Teg Bahadur Sahib in 1675 to save their religion from the Muslim tyrants. Fully aware of the ominous consequences the Guru Sahib assured the delegation his help. To the zealot Muslim tyrants the Guru Sahib came to represent a charismatic leader of the non-Islamic, predominantly Hindu, segment of the multi religious society and threat to their evil designs to create an absolute Islamic society in India.

The Guru Sahib was arrested along with his three devoted disciples Satti Dass, Matti Dass (both brothers) and Dyal Dass at Mallikpur Rangra by Mirza Noor Mohammed, the jail warden of Roper, and taken to Delhi after being jailed for four months at Sirhind. Like his grandfather, Guru Arjan Dev Sahib, Guru Teg Bahadur Sahib was offered the choices of conversion to Islam or martyrdom. The indomitable Guru Sahib chose the latter. To intimidate Guru Sahib Matti Dass was sawed alive in two, Dyal Dass was boiled alive in a cauldron and Satti Dass was wrapped in cotton wool and burnt alive before him. The Governor and Quazi of Delhi tortured Guru Sahib for five days. Finally the Guru Sahib was martyred by beheading at the behest of Aurengzeb."

Anonymous said...

The result was an architectural miracle, the likes of which all of Arabia had never seen before.

Year of the Elephant

After the triumph of Islam in the 7th century, the church was torn down and stripped of its treasures, and a mosque was built on the site. As Barbara Finster, an archeologist from the Bavarian city of Bamberg, discovered, some of the columns in the mosque came from the wrecked church, while some of the church's magnificent mosaics were sent to Mecca, essentially as booty.

The enmity between Sanaa and Mecca apparently smoldered from the start. Medieval Koran scholars report that Abraha built his magnificent church to lure the pilgrims away from the Kaaba, Islam's most sacred site.
Another Islamic source describes how the dispute eventually escalated: An angry native of Mecca relieved himself in the Sanaa church, prompting the furious Abraha to dispatch his warriors, mounted on elephants, to destroy the Kaaba. In the interpretation of Sura 105 of the Koran, the only reason he was unsuccessful was that Allah had armed a flock of birds with clay balls that rained down on the Christian army like bullets.

Are these nothing but religious myths? There is historical evidence, in the form of a rock inscription, that Abraha conducted large-scale raids against defiant Arab tribes near Mecca in 552 AD. A few Western historians consider this to be the true year of Muhammad's birth. The scholar Ibn Ishak, who wrote the first biography of the Prophet, states that the proclaimer of the Koran was born "in the year of the elephant."
Oddly enough, the scrawled rock inscription could be interpreted to mean that the tribe of the Kuraish, to which the Prophet belonged, sometimes fought for the Christians. Were they allies? Was Muhammad born in a city that stood under the banner of the cross?

pak yeh said...

Why no Christians able to defend themselves.???
When Christianity collides with Truth, Christianity is dead meat.
That is because Christianity is based on lies and the Geobbels Principle "A lie repeated many times, becomes a truth".

All Christian can do is give Youtube links to more lies.
They paid a Pakistani "ex Muslim" or more likely a Hypocrite to say Jesus healed he legs and made her dead sister alive. But we know from history that Jesus did nothing when Christian were almost wiped out due to the plague. Jesus never did anything when we had A.I.D.S. and H1N1, Chicken flue etc.
This is proof that Jesus is dead for 2,013 years already,because he never came back from the dead.
Christians are like Elvis Presley worshipers who say Elvis is alive when he is actually dead.
They need to see a shrink to check what is in their heads.

akupun said...

anon, where did you took those stories about moghul empire?(aurangzeb) gimme source.

i have a lot to comment when u said islam is spread at point of sword,80% population of india which is now hindu is best and strongest point to show that islam was not spread by sword.59% of punjab state people is sikh,36% hindu and muslim only 1% from total 24million people of punjab state,if sword is used as mean to convert people,than the 59% shud be muslim,pls see also malaysia/indonesia/china,whos sword forced 'em?..

By the way,i think pakyeh is talking bout chistians here-(bustard son called jesus,as said by christians),so lets follow.maybe next time in sikh topic we'll talk bout this.End.

Anonymous said...

maybe indeed christianity is a corrupted religion by golongan bangsawan 2000 yrs ago... maybe its the same with the other un named violent group, both should be analyzed by the people whether their middle east miracle stories make sense or not.....

neil armstrong put his foot in 1969, there are groups says he heard something in the moon.....hahaha and he converted into different religion, same as michael jackson, jacko wacko... hahaha

inferiority complex...

Anonymous said...

All Christian can do is give Youtube links to more lies.

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Lol, its a cheap syiok sendiri defence of denial isn't it PAk Yeh ?.

How come you never show the links so that others can see too ?.

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh, what you said show that you are ignorant of the belief of christians. Christians do not believe in three gods, but one God. You have a spirit, soul and body, 3 in 1. Do I say you are one and the same person or three persons. And the mystery of God cannot be understood by human mind but revealed to us by the Holy Spirit, which is God's Spirit.

Allah is an arabic word for God, and those christians in the Middle East called God "Allah" and not Tuhan because Tuhan is a malay word and they do not understand malay. The christians in the middle east have always called God "Allah" before the birth of Prophet Muhammad. So it is the christians who should forbid muslims to call this word but they did not because they are tolerant. The bible cannot lie. It is only the human who cannot understand it. Christians called God "Father" because He is a personal God. And that does not mean we cannot called Him by other name like Yahweh, etc. Just like I can called my son, "Son" or by his name.

Anonymous said...

Professor : You are a Muslim, aren’t you, son ?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent.)

Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does satan come from ?

Student : From … GOD …

Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them ?

(Student had no answer.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.




Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class was in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?

(The class broke out into laughter. )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir …

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...
All Christian can do is give Youtube links to more lies.
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Lol, its a cheap syiok sendiri defence of denial isn't it PAk Yeh ?.
How come you never show the links so that others can see too ?.

Pak Yeh's reply:
It is not syiok sendiri. I have proven to you using Bible Isaiah45:10,11,12, that Christians lie against god,when they say Yaweh is a trinity. Wht dont you debate it.??? No brains or you dont have any more lies.??? ha,ha,ha.

For links, google "converts to Islam" at Youtube or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05A-xg1UjEY and many more.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...
Pak Yeh, what you said show that you are ignorant of the belief of christians.

Pak Yehs reply:
I know more about Christians than your ignorant assuption

Anonymous said:
Christians do not believe in three gods, but one God.

Pak Yehs reply:
But you say Jesus is God and Holy Ghost is God too.That make 3 gods.

Anonymous saiad:
You have a spirit, soul and body, 3 in 1. Do I say you are one and the same person or three persons.

Pak Yehs reply:
Spirit and soul is one and the same.It is not yours butGods and returns to god when you die.What belong to you is just your body.

Anonymous said:
And the mystery of God cannot be understood by human mind but revealed to us by the Holy Spirit, which is God's Spirit.

Pak Yehs reply
That is a lie,to make Christians stupid, not using their mind, like cattle.That is not what God says,but what the Priest want you to be(to be cows). The true religion is one that is logical,with 100% usage of mind.

Anonymous said:

Allah is an arabic word for God, and those christians in the Middle East called God "Allah" and not Tuhan because Tuhan is a malay word and they do not understand malay. The christians in the middle east have always called God "Allah" before the birth of Prophet Muhammad. So it is the christians who should forbid muslims to call this word but they did not because they are tolerant. The bible cannot lie. It is only the human who cannot understand it. Christians called God "Father" because He is a personal God. And that does not mean we cannot called Him by other name like Yahweh, etc. Just like I can called my son, "Son" or by his name.

Pak Yeh's reply;
Arab Christian clain to use Allah is false, becaues The Bible does not call God Allah.It is immoral and a miss translation and a deception to change someones name. Didn't you read my article.???Read again, untill yiu understand it. That is the problem with Christians who do not use their mind.Isnt not using your mind is a barrier to undesrand the truth.??? Make sure you answer this question.!!!

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh, you say Bible god does not mention Allah... European Bibble did not say that word....

Arabs Christian use that word, be mindful ...Arabs became Christian first before Europeans...

Jesus look like European according to White Man, in reality, Jesus who from the middle east surely look middle eastern, not wit european eyes color.

who are you to comment about christianity. remember, you nenek moyang were hindus or budhist first before became moslem.

PS I am not a christian and I dont believe the Christianity version of church n bible or catholic pope.

Maybe Jesus were a messenger of God, but I am sure in his mind, he did not ask people to build churches and start christian religion. Its all human creation.

Anonymous said...

akupun,

dont talk about india 80% hindu... see the overall region from afghanistan, pakistan to india and bangladesh....mughals were never able to capture the whole subcontinent, only rule pockets of it. and there were resistance at all region from time to time...

Babar and aurangzeb were cruel, but there were some with compassion like akbar....

And another thing for you an pak yeh.... christian world now consist of different sect like catholic, protestant, methodist, SIB (sidang Injil Borneo)- only in msia, Pentecostal, Mormon, Anglican (British) etc... which is their own version of jesus teaching

Islam is also same.... sunni, syiah, ahmadiya, wahhabi, sufi and many others... of course as usual, the malaysian sunni will says others are sesat....

Anonymous said...

John 5:43 I am come in the name of my Father, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.

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Pak Yeh, Jesus/ Isa said this, could He be referring to your Prophet ?.

By the way, I see you can quote from the Bible but without real understanding.

If you are sincere , before you read the Bible, ask Allah to open your hearts and mind if it is truly the word of God.

Don't read the Bible with a closed mind,with a preconceived idea of finding "facts" to prove that it is wrong. In other words , don't read the Bible from the angle of the Koran, but as it is.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Professor : You are a Muslim, aren’t you, son ?
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LOL, how low can you go man !. Why do you muslims think that Allah is so puny that He needs you to lie and twist to try to gain convert for Him ?.

If He desires so, in a twinkle of an eye- so to speak- He can make the whole mankind into Muslims. But that's not what he desires.

The person involved in the debate with the professor is actually Albert Einstein and this anonymous writer has the cheek to "buat dosa" by twisting the fact and adding the word "muslim".

Sad isn't it ?.Some even claiming that Neil Armstrong became a muslim after coming back from his moon walk ?. LOL , Armstrong died a Christian !

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said:
You have a spirit, soul and body, 3 in 1. Do I say you are one and the same person or three persons

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Pak Yehs reply:
This state ment does not make sense.
Man/a person is made of 2 parts, spirit and body but is still one person.What has it got to do with 3 in 1 God.???
Your 3 in 1 god contradict the 1 god of the Bible,..Isaiah45:10.11.12
Where did the 3 in 1 god come from.??? From the Priests or from the Bible.??? Definitely not from the Bible,because of Isaiah 45:10,11,12.So, did your priest tell a lie.???

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...
John 5:43 I am come in the name of my Father, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.

Pak Yeh, Jesus/ Isa said this, could He be referring to your Prophet ?.

Pak Yeh's reply:
You are making unproven(not supported by other Bible verses) deductions/inference. Dont you know anything about the quality of evidence,??? What a silly debater.
Prophet Mohamad is predicted in the Bible by the following Bible Verses...
1)Deutoronomy 18;18 "I will raise them up a prophetFROM AMONG THEIR BRETHENS(God talking to Jews decendants of Isaac and brethen refering to Ismailites),like unto thee,and I will putmy words in his mouth,and he will speak unto them,all that I shall comand."
2)Genesis 17:20
"As for Ishmael,I have heard thee.Behold I HAVE BLESSED HIM.and will make him fruitful,and will multiply him exceedingly. Twelve prince shall he beget,and I will make him a great nation."
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Which nation was great when Christians learned Science by translatig Arab books into Englishfrom them.???
Arabs=Ishmaelites.
3)John 14:16
Jesus said "I will pray to the Father,and He will give you ANOTHER COMFORTOR(a man,other than Jesusie an Ishmaelite named Mohamad), t "hat he may abide with you forever."
4)John16:17
"Nevertheless I will tell you the truth.It is expected that I GO aAWAY,for If i do not go away,the Comforter will not come unto you,but if I depart,He9an Ishmaelite prophet/Mohamad) WILL COME UNTO YOU."

Read more @ http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2011/01/2nd-coming-of-jesus-is-actually.html

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Mon Jan 07, 12:31:00 AM GMT+08:00

Pak Yehs reply:
There are many ways to reply to the Atheist Proffessor. I will debate it in another article.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said:
Sad isn't it ?.Some even claiming that Neil Armstrong became a muslim after coming back from his moon walk ?. LOL , Armstrong died a Christian !

Pak Yehs reply:
Do you blame all Muslims if one of them made a mistake.??? Do you know that Armstrong on the moon is a Christian/American bullshit.The tell tale pictures show that it was not on the moon.
The 9/11 was also a Christian/American bullshit. They blew the World Trade Center from under the building, to create a REASON TO GO MURDERING THE MUSLIMS IN AFGANISTAN. Christians are sooo gullible. Christian Priest and Politicians are the greatest bullshitters. LOL.!!!

Common,we are debating on Christians lying about their One God Yaweh and you are just making a fool of your self by talkin about small maters. LOL!!! Either you debate the issue or shut the F@#$ up.
LOL.

Anonymous said...

waah pak yeh....

forget about armstrong.... are you saying americans never put their feet on the moon, forget 1969... wat about apollo missions till December 7, 1972.... astronauts just go on joy ride around the earth and come back???

what about ISS, does it exist??

you know how the 911 myth came about?? it was started by americans themselves.... you have to understand, some westerners are just as idiots as a pig...

They create Roswell UFO crash, Y2K, 2012 armageddon from Myan callender, year 2000 kiamat movies... all these sell movie tickets, books and revenue worth billions.

Mahathir believes the 911 theory, why?? because he 'hates' america so that malays love him and sokongan berbelah bagi. In reality, all his haram money in overseas secret account along with taib ....

To bring down WTC with demolition method requires drilling of explosives into the column at all levels and wiring, detonators and triggers ... How do they do it without anybody notice it??? So stupid argument.

Osama proudly admits he did it so who are you to deny???

Some Americans believe in UFO and kidnapped by aliens. Do you???



Anonymous said...

Well Pak Yeh,

what happen to Lembah Bujang civilization which is sealed off by malaysia to prevent knowledge of prehistoric civilization before the religion of peace

Anonymous said...

akupun and pak yeh,

look at that budaya melayu, adat perkahwinan...

bersanding, merenjis air, henna di tangan/kaki, wang hantaran, dulang... this all are indian culture...

even the word agama is indian word which is sanskrit which mentions Hindu religion...

Anonymous said...

the Romans which exist before jesus and religion of peace build cities, stadiums 2000yrs ago..

the Egyptians 5000 yrs ago have knowledge to build pyramids...

South americans Mayans are well known for their buildings...

To say Europeans copied Arabs is laughable...

There is nothing from the Arab land showing great achievements few thousand years ago...

Also the so called arabic numerals are false... It was copied from the Indians... Indian scholars created the number 0...

Anonymous said...

Either you debate the issue or shut the F@#$ up.

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My oh my. And what rubbish is this interpretation ?

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"Nevertheless I will tell you the truth.It is expected that I GO aAWAY,for If i do not go away,the Comforter will not come unto you,but if I depart,He9an Ishmaelite prophet/Mohamad) WILL COME UNTO YOU."

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John 1:32
And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit

So Muhammad the Prophet descend upon Jesus ?

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Act 2

2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

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This refers to Muhammad the Prophet ?.

You sure make me LOL.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Mon Jan 07, 04:24:00 PM GMT+08:00 said:
Either you debate the issue or shut the F@#$ up.
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My oh my. And what rubbish is this interpretation ?
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"Nevertheless I will tell you the truth.It is expected that I GO aAWAY,for If i do not go away,the Comforter will not come unto you,but if I depart,He(an Ishmaelite prophet/Mohamad) WILL COME UNTO YOU."
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Pak Yeh's reply:
Sorry for the error in brackets.Just delete words in the bracket.
But that does not prevent you from debating it,as I did give the referees John14:17.

Anonymous said:
John 1:32
And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit

So Muhammad the Prophet descend upon Jesus ?

Pak Yehs reply :
Oh mu God.! You do not know how to debate.??? That verse has nothing to do with prophet Mohamad.Why quote it.? I didnt quote it.
These, are the ones referring to prophet Mohamad, and these are the ones you should debate...
1)Deutoronomy 18;18 "I will raise them up a prophet FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHENS(God talking to Jews decendants of Isaac and brethen to Ismailites),like unto thee,and I will put my words in his mouth,and he will speak unto them,all that I shall comand."
2)Genesis 17:20
"As for Ishmael,I have heard thee.Behold I HAVE BLESSED HIM.and will make him fruitful,and will multiply him exceedingly. Twelve prince shall he beget,and I will make him a great nation."
====
Which nation was great when Christians learned Science by translating Arab books into English from them.???
Arabs=Ishmaelites.!!!
3)John 14:16
Jesus said "I will pray to the Father,and He will give you ANOTHER COMFORTOR(a man,other than Jesusie an Ishmaelite named Mohamad), "that he may abide with you forever."
4)John16:17
"Nevertheless I will tell you the truth.It is expected that I GO AWAY,for If i do not go away,the Comforter will not come unto you,but if I depart,He WILL COME UNTO YOU."

Note: You have also not debated the article I wrote yet.Where is your debate on why you change you gods Bible name.???

You really dont know how to debate, do you.??? LOL.

Anonymous said...

1)Deutoronomy 18;18 "I will raise them up a prophet FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHENS(God talking to Jews decendants of Isaac and brethen to Ismailites),like unto thee,and I will put my words in his mouth,and he will speak unto them,all that I shall comand."

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Gosh, Pak Yeh, You use this to refer to your Prophet ?. Is he a descendant of the Jews ?.
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Genesis 17:20
"As for Ishmael,I have heard thee.Behold I HAVE BLESSED HIM.and will make him fruitful,and will multiply him exceedingly.

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The Arabs are in hugh numbers but it does not say His Prophet is selected from amongst the descendant of Ishmel !.

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I think you cannot understand what I have replied on the Holy Spirit coming on Pentecost day.

If Muhamad is the Holy Spirit like you say, then he came upon the Apostles on Pentecost day and enabled the apostles to speak in tongues. How come Muhamad only come some 650 years later ?.

LOL. Pak Yeh, it seems Allah has hidden the truth from you. You better cry out to Allah when praying , to reveal the truth to you. Adious. Salam. May the peace ofJesus be upon you.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Mon Jan 07, 04:17:00 PM GMT+08:00 said:
There is nothing from the Arab land showing great achievements few thousand years ago...

Pak Yeh's reply:
This is another Christian lie.You dont read history.???
Read what the Journal of the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology said.

"The contemporary world owes much of its progress in all fields of human intellectual activity, including medicine, to Arabic culture, especially the advancements made during the Golden Age of Arabic-Islamic science (8th to 13th centuries C.E.). The glorious historic background of the Arabic world permits us to identify the debt that humanity owes to the Golden Age of Arabic science and to evaluate the research contributions made by Arab countries to biomedical sciences in our own day."

Read more @ http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4529824195243877014&postID=983997147690779710&page=1&token=1357558152323

akupun said...

the christians who believe in 1 god,nor biget nor begotten, that jesus is messenger(not a begotten son of god ,than we shud have no objection for them to use Allah name.

I hope pakyeh know this when debating with them,,if we try to prove them (from bible) that god is three,when they twist,u will kena back..

btw,what is this: 'You have a spirit, soul and body, 3 in 1'
dont pusing2 mcm gasing lar..just confirm is jesus a messenger or what?

anon:Babar and aurangzeb were cruel, but there were some with compassion like akbar..

Reply-thats true,as u said babar etc,thats a personnel issue,no religion allow their teaching to be spread by sword( also can give u many example of chiristians-but i believe,ori. jesus teaching agains it),this dynastic of mughal even create their own sufism religion,it might be their own interpretation of islam,they actually fight to acquire more land,not spread Islam actually,if they were spreading Islam,then percentage of Hindu/sikh should give u answer, because force is totally not allowed.And im talking bout india because u are talking abouth sikh,their motherland is india not Afghan u dumb.

anon:"bersanding, merenjis air, henna di tangan/kaki, wang hantaran, dulang... this all are indian culture..."

Reply-so whats yr problem? what yr problem with lembah bujang? how its related to topic?

Anonymous said...

arabic achievements?? what???

is it by the turkish origin people???
was taj mahal wonder built by moslems or by hindu slave craftmanship...???

Anonymous said...

saudi arabia follow wahhabi while malays follow sunni.... wat say you.... which one is sesat....

when hindus go temple, i know that they will walk around the temple 3 times clockwise or odd numbers for their prayers... or when getting married, they will walk around the burning fire 7 times clockwise...

so the religion of peace also do that at kaaba anticlockwise 7 times... thats similar to hindu practise .... looks like religion of peace influenced by hindus few thousand years ago... and dont forget crescent on moon symbol of the hindus...

Anonymous said...

well... afghans were hindus or budhist before conversion to religion of Peace....

where is the historic bamiyan buddha??? blown away by taliban...

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...
1)Deutoronomy 18;18 "I will raise them up a prophet FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHENS(God talking to Jews decendants of Isaac and brethen to Ismailites),like unto thee,and I will put my words in his mouth,and he will speak unto them,all that I shall comand."
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Gosh, Pak Yeh, You use this to refer to your Prophet ?. Is he a descendant of the Jews ?.
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Pak Yeh's reply:
Didnt I say "brethen" to the Jews are the Ismaelite,(Arabs).??? Isaac = Jews. Ishmael - Arabs. Isaac and Ismael are brethens/brothers, both being sons of Abraham.
U no understand ah.?

Anonymous said:
Genesis 17:20
"As for Ishmael,I have heard thee.Behold I HAVE BLESSED HIM.and will make him fruitful,and will multiply him exceedingly.
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Anonymous said:
The Arabs are in hugh numbers but it does not say His Prophet is selected from amongst the descendant of Ishmel !.
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Pak Yehs reply:
God said "blessed" uponn Ishmail can mean that a prophet will be given to lead his people.Deutoronomy 18:18 is proof that a prophet will be given to Ishmaelites/Arabs the brethen of Jews.

Anonymous said:
I think you cannot understand what I have replied on the Holy Spirit coming on Pentecost day.

If Muhamad is the Holy Spirit like you say, then he came upon the Apostles on Pentecost day and enabled the apostles to speak in tongues. How come Muhamad only come some 650 years later ?.

Pak Yeh's reply:
When did I say Muhammad is the holy Spirit.??? LOL.Kantoi.

Anonymous said:
LOL. Pak Yeh, it seems Allah has hidden the truth from you. You better cry out to Allah when praying , to reveal the truth to you. Adious. Salam. May the peace ofJesus be upon you.

Pak Yeh's reply:
Ha,ha,ha. Childish reply. Debate has not finish and your comments had never proven anything.
Why no debate on use of Allah.???
Why no debate on immorality and deception of Christians when changing their god's name.???
No debate means a walk over win to Pak Yeh and Muslims.LOL.

akupun said...

saudi arabia follow wahhabi while malays follow sunni.... wat say you.... which one is sesat....

Reply:there is no sect in Islam,whoever practice matched with Quran and Authentic Hadith is right.

Q:so the religion of peace also do that at kaaba anticlockwise 7 times... thats similar to hindu practise...

Reply: I think this is super idiot Question,Hindu take bath,muslim also take bath-can u say thats a similiar to hindu practice.haha..

U said Taj was build by slave,thats maybe true,but Some Indonesian claimed they build KLCC,can we accept that? thats true also,but they are not architect they are just labor.The miracle is ot lay in the brick they joined,it lay in architectural design,but for me,its just a monument/building, nothing more.If Shah jahan was a religious man,he will build mosque instead of grave tomb.Btw,not much to be proud on Moghul empire,they were a conqueror

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Tue Jan 08, 09:54:00 AM GMT+08:00

Pak Yeh's reply:
There are some similarities and some differences. So what.???
Islam is an Abrahamic religion. Abraham's tradition is adopted by Hindus.Some people say that the One God religion of the Yogi Hindus but not the many gods of the Hindus is Abrahams religion. That should explain the similarities.

Mr Anonymous, You are required to debate the issue in my article. Stop being a pest by debating something else.

Anonymous said...

pak yeh said...
Anonymous Mon Jan 07, 04:24:00 PM GMT+08:00 said:


Nevertheless I will tell you the truth.It is expected that I GO
aAWAY,for If i do not go away,the Comforter will not come unto you,but if I depart,He9an Ishmaelite prophet/Mohamad) WILL COME UNTO YOU."

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Pak Yeh's reply:
When did I say Muhammad is the holy Spirit.??? LOL.Kantoi.

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Ha ha, LOL, Pak Yeh , eat your words lah.

By the way see what is printed in the Harakah :Why Allah in Bahasa Bibles should be allowed

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=46196:why-allah-in-bahasa-bibles-should-be-allowed&Itemid=2

Pak Yeh, happy reading though. Jangan lah pusing pusing macam kucing kejar ekornya.

Anonymous said...

Isaac = Jews. Ishmael - Arabs. Isaac and Ismael are brethens/brothers, both being sons of Abraham.

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Please, lah. Abraham a Jew begets Isaac and Ismael, but Isaac is a Jew and Ishmel, like kutty, metamorphosed into an Arab ? LOL.

Are you saying Ishmael is not of Abraham ?. If he is really Abraham's own flesh and blood, then he should be a Jew isn't it.

Pak Yeh, you ni semakin keliru lah.

akupun said...

im bit disappointed with nik aziz/hadi today,they agree with usage of Allah name by christians, nik aziz didnt give any nas, Hadi did quote 3:64:
"O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah."

Clearly chiristians did associate jesus/mary/holy pontianak with Allah,how can it be 'common terms' among us?

further,today,tv3 suku aired Hadi comment and beside Titah Sultan selangor who clearly forbid use of Allah Name in bible or any other religion scripture, i dont bother bout sultan,his son is kaki minum,if he cant advise his son then no need to be Islam hero,but im disappointed with nikaziz/hadi.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Tue Jan 08, 07:05:00 PM GMT+08:00

Pak Yehs reply.
Abraham is not a Jew. Jews only started from Isaac and his Mothe Sarah. Arabs too started from Ishmael and his Mother Hagar.You cannot understand your own Bible.???
This debate is over, because, I am debating with a no brainer.I think you are just fooling around and not debating.
So buss off/scram. ambil sepuloh sen dan pegi main jauh2.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Tue Jan 08, 06:48:00 PM GMT+08:00

PAS is wrong.They are ruled by stupid Ulamas who never passed their Maths and Science.
JAIS and the Sultan of Selangor is right.We cannot allow immoral Christian liars to lie about Allah with cock and bull stories saying He has a son and He is a third of Himself having to share power with a dead Jesus and a Holy Pontianak/Ghost. LOL.

akupun said...

in this issue, i agree nik/hadi is stupid, but not everyone in pas is stupid.

Jais sometimes wrong,so do sultan,im against pas in this, i disagree with 'em. But im not going to vote bn in next GE either,for they are proven more stupid than pas.

Anonymous said...

akupun,

shahrukh khan drinks alcohol, married hindu wife... worshipped by malays as if he is their movie star... same goes with salman khan and saif... all drunken fellas... who loved by malays...

last week, for your beloved mahathir birthday 87th, shah rukh khan came for his party.... by the way who owns syarikat arak san miguel... mahathir son, mirzan rite... wat u say akupun and pak yeh...

not forgetting kavita kaur known as one particular sultan's concubine.... wat a great drama....

Anonymous said...

dulu abdullah badwi said Hadhari... aper tu... entah pak yeh pun x faham kot.... hahaha

ape tu 1malaysia... slogan paling bodoh di dunia entah ciptaan BIJAN ker APCO Yahudi ?

Beberapa hari lepas, slogan baru yang bodoh bernama Roti 1Malaysia dilancarkan oleh Black Rose aka Kak Ros Botox....

Dah jemu dengan idea2 bodoh Nejib BIJAN....




Anonymous said...

Abraham is not a Jew. Jews only started from Isaac and his Mothe Sarah. Arabs too started from Ishmael and his Mother Hagar.You cannot understand your own Bible.???

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Wakakaka, Pay Yeh, my apologies,but you are getting more and more ridiculous. By the way Christanity comes about after Jesus came , not before, the Old Testament is the Torah of the Jews so you better ask the Jews if they find that Muhamad is mentioned in the Torah.

If not for muslims like you there will be no quarrel with the use of the word Allah.

Anonymous said...

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/from-around-the-blogs/53732-five-contradictions-in-restricting-the-use-of-allah

Five contradictions in restricting the use of 'Allah'

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Pak Yeh, Pak Sako has more sense lah.LOL

akupun said...

Anon:Five contradictions in restricting the use of 'Allah'

Rply:Fine,all 5 point given is by logic,no nas from Quran/Bible and no statistic or whatsoever scientific fact.So we will use logic too in refuting em.

Point1
If we disallow non-Muslims from using the word 'Allah', are we implying that Allah has no relation to the non-Muslims...

Refute: No,every body have relation,but with true Allah-Not Allah which they claimed got son.The proof is,for hundreds years,they been using God to refer to Allah, did they feel not related to Allah then?

Point2
If we say Allah is not the god of the non-Muslims, does this not imply that besides Allah there must exist a second god specifically for the non-Muslims

Refute:in this point,pak sako refer to muslim (we),definitely not,because every muslim know there is no God but Allah,and Allah have no begotten son.How can by proving that Allah which they mention in bible who have begotten son is not true is creating 1 more Allah? Pythagoras said,that moon/earth is rotating in its axis,400yr later,what Pythagoras said appears in Quran,(some idiot say Muhammad copy that theory from Phyto),but they failed to mention 1 more theory of phyto. which say that sun is center of universe/static/not moving-so now science proved it wrong, does it mean science just created 1 more Sun? haha..dumb paksako

3. If we maintain that 'Allah' has no relevance to other religions, who then ultimately created these religions if not Allah, the Creator of all things?

Refute-this point will not stand as argument if one can understand refute to point 2.

4. Therefore how can it be wrong for a Hindu, a Christian or a freethinker to refer to 'Allah' as our one common god? Must Sikhs, who are not Muslims, stop using the word 'Allah', though 'Allah' appears numerous times in their holy book, which is not the al-Quran?

Refute:dumb paksako must understand,no muslim is barring anyone from using of Kalimah Allah,but in true definition,problem with christians is,they are associating God with Holy Dracula or something,Sikh never associate God with anything.

5. If non-Muslims must convert to Islam before referring to 'Allah', is that to say Allah was not their Creator prior to them converting?

Refute:No need to convert.tell me,who said to convert 1st in order to use Allah name? tell me the name? One just have to understand definition of Allah,bear that there is no god but Allah,and Muhammad is messenger and jesus is a messenger too,thats enough,who the heck is asking to convert 1st? u must clarify this with paksako,mayb some dumb tell him so.

akupun said...

anon:shahrukh khan drinks alcohol, married hindu wife...

reply: this is the problem,they took someone from community and potray 'em as exemplary muslim,but the fact is they are just islam in the name-u said he is drinking,thats totally against muslim,then why took him as exemplary? Kahar-Rasul Melayu of selangor also claimed he is TRUE muslim,can we take him as exemplary? Dear anon, if u want to take someone as muslim exemplary,then no one is better than Muhammad the messenger,in present,whoever follow teaching of Quran and authentic hadith,u have to check,if they are following islam,if not,no need to took anything from 'em,u will easily be fooled if u do so.There are many black sheep in all community.The only thing that differ mankind is taqwa(God consciousness),not because he is famous actor/king/sayid/rich-poor/ black or white .

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Wed Jan 09, 02:48:00 AM GMT+08:00

Pak Yeh's reply:
What is the Sultan's,Mahathir's faults compared to the sins of the Catholic Priests/Father, who sodomize little boys. Wahahaha.!
The sodomite Father/Priest was protected by the Pope by transferring them out.So the Pope too is a sodomite,ya??? Wahahaha.
If Catholic Father can sodomize little boys, what about real fathers like you.???You follow and sodpmise your real sons too.Wahahaha.
Its too shameful to be a Catholic, unless you are a sodomite too? Wahahahaha.

And this Catholic sodomites want to use Allah's name now.???
No way dude.!!!We will jihad.!!!

Wahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

akupun said...

Before they get confused with word Jihad-let me explain-Jihad mean 'to struggle' not a holy war etc.There was a time when Kafir of Quraisy like to buy and torture poor muslim,when companion of Rasul(whos is richer in wealth and power) saw this they want to react by fighting against those kafir,But Rasul said"Your jihad for now is sabar/patient".

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh, why do you thin Shaitan wants to attack the church ???. It must be because it has something that Shaitan is unhappy with.

Shaitan has put in imposters to try to destroy the church but Jesus has said , my church will not be destroyed. And it is so.

If Shaitan does not attack, then it shows that it is happy la. Why is it happy ?. Because what it is doing must be in agreement with it.

Shaitan will continue to try by attacking the church but he will fail as always. He can only cause an irritable itchiness only. wakaka ka.

See how many of you kind like liwat eh ?. Sumbang mahram etc etc.No wonder Shaitan leaves you guys alone.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Wed Jan 09, 06:14:00 PM GMT+08:00

Pak Yehs reply:
You know who is Syaitan>???
Syaitan is the Chief Deciever/the liar, and Christians are their followers because they lie, saying Allah has a son and is 1/3 of Himself,having to share power with a dead Jesus and a Holy Pontianak/Ghost.
And you know who is Anti-Christ.???
Protestant Christians say the Pope is Anti-Christ. Refer link @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ub_q9iqu41U
Wa,ha,ha,ha.
So are you not going to "Spanish Inquisition" them.??? Or at least say Protestants are the Anti-Christ.??? Wahahaha.
If I were you I will give up Christianity, because of all the lies the Christian Priest tell about poor Yaweh your One God who says "I am the only God.There is no god befor nor after Me.And I am the only savior." Isaiah45:10,11,12, and yet have to share power with a dead Jesus and a Pontianak.
Wahahaha.

akupun said...

anon:See how many of you kind like liwat eh ?. Sumbang mahram etc..

Reply:heh he,open up yr eyes dude,pls turn yr head to christian country for a while n you will find this:

Research indicates that 46 percent (46%) of children who are raped are victims of family members. (Langan and Harlow, 1994.)
The majority of American rape victims (61%) are raped before the age of 18; furthermore, an astounding 29 percent (29%) of all forcible rapes occurred when the victim was less than 11 years old. Eleven percent (11%) of rape victims are raped by their fathers or step-fathers, and another 16 percent (16%) are raped by other relatives. (National Center for Victims of Crime and Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center, 1992.)
The study of a nationally representative sample of state prisoners serving time for violent crime in 1991 showed that, of those prisoners convicted of rape or sexual assault, two-thirds victimized children and almost one-third of the victims were the children or step-children of the assailant. (Greenfeld, 1996.)
In a study of male survivors of child sexual abuse, over 80 percent (80%) had a history of substance abuse, 50 percent (50%) had suicidal thoughts, 23 percent (23%) attempted suicide, and almost 70 percent (70%) received psychological treatment. Thirty-one percent (31%) had violently victimized others. (Lisak, 1994.)
Source:http://www.svfreenyc.org/survivors_factsheet_37.html

Anonymous said...

5. If non-Muslims must convert to Islam before referring to 'Allah', is that to say Allah was not their Creator prior to them converting?

Refute:No need to convert.tell me,who said to convert 1st in order to use Allah name? tell me the name? One just have to understand definition of Allah,bear that there is no god but Allah,and Muhammad is messenger and jesus is a messenger too,thats enough,

who the heck is asking to convert 1st?


aku pun,
Perak Mufti, Harrusani said that.... convert to use..... so what u say...??

come on dude and pak yeh...

instead of this issue which causing people to be distracted than bigger use... rasuah, khalwat, kes buang bayi, dadah, clubbing, seks bebas, bangkrap, malas, hiburan yang melalaikan oleh kerajaan malaysia, pembaziran duit pembayar cukai etc yang lebih banyak dihadapi oleh orang melayu islam... so solve it or tackle it instead of talking nonsense..

rahim thambhi chik dan kes khalwat BIJAN dgn ziana zein aper jadi di seremban???

kes sulten dgn kavita kaur???


Anonymous said...

apa pendapat u berdua pasal hudud, menyentuh bab potong tangan untuk mencuri, 4 saksi untuk aktiviti merogol dan pancung kepala atau merejam batu sehingga mati untuk kesalahan tertentu...

No doubt the lwas maybe relevant for 1000 yrs ++ ago... even french do pancung kepala... but now we are in modern era.. da ader dna, camera, forensik, doktor n polis untuk siasat.... zaman dulu org duk kt padang pasir... zaman tu zaman batu seluruh dunia bukan arab jer... di england hukuman teruk ader....

tapi kalau zaman ni nak cari saksi 4 org, logik ker?? potong tangan ... is there any compassion or just violence... tit for tat...

eye for an eye makes the world blind...MK Gandhi...

Anonymous said...

Syaitan is the Chief Deciever/the liar, and Christians are their followers because they lie,

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Ai yo, how did you read your Koran ?. Your Prophet refer to the Christians and the Jews as people of the Book and here you are saying the Christians are following Syaitan.

Come on lah.Don't read like chicken shiting here and there.

Anonymous said...

Have you reflected on the fact that even during your Prophet's time, the Arab Christians were already refering to their God as Allah ?. The concept of Trinity of already in existance.

Anonymous said...

yet have to share power with a dead Jesus and a Pontianak.

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Haha ha, don't you know that in the African continent including Iran and even Saudi Arabia, despite all the persecutions and murder in the name of Allah, more are coming to Him through Jesus Christ.

Even Harussani admitted that . So to you, pontianak or not, many muslims are also having dreams and visions of Jesus/Isa calling them to follow him.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Thu Jan 10, 08:37:00 AM GMT+08:00

Huh.??? I dunno why Muslims would become Christians and worship a dead jesus and a Holy Pontianak.
Maybe they are not Muslims but are cattle.
Wahahaha.
Christians always lie and are folowers of the Chief Liar/Satan.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...

Have you reflected on the fact that even during your Prophet's time, the Arab Christians were already refering to their God as Allah ?. The concept of Trinity of already in existance.

Pak Yeh's reply:
Yes.! But it does not make it right or moral to change your God's Bible name Yaweh to the Quran name Allah and blaspheme Allah in a trinity with a bastard son(God did not marry Mary,and a son outside of wedlock is a bastard) and a Holy Pontianak.
Besides, there is no proof that Allah was used in a trinity. Besides the Arab word for god is Illah.Abdullah means slave of Illah/God.
Christians changing their gods name is the work od the devil who is the Chief liar.
Comprande.???

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...

Syaitan is the Chief Deciever/the liar, and Christians are their followers because they lie,

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Ai yo, how did you read your Koran ?. Your Prophet refer to the Christians and the Jews as people of the Book and here you are saying the Christians are following Syaitan.

Come on lah.Don't read like chicken shiting here and there.

+++++++

Pak Yeh's reply"
The Quran says the ahli Kitab is the Nasarani or the Unitarian Christians. Many verses in the quran say Trinity and son of god is a lie.
As for the Jews,the ahli Kitab is those who believe in the Trorah aloine,and not those who associate Gods word(Torah) with man's/Rabbi's words(Thalmud).

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Thu Jan 10, 02:12:00 AM GMT+08:00

Pak Yehs reply:
I dont agree with mainstrean Muslims Hudud. God's law is sourced from God's words(Quran).When mainstream Muslims use hadis it corrupts Allah's law.
Chopping the hand is optional and cannot be implemented when the thief ask for fogiveness and gives compensation.
4 witness for adultery is almost impossible.So it becomes unpunisable.
As for rape cases, use of secular and scientific method is the only way and there is no need for 4 witness..
Read more on my take on hudud and Islamic Law @
1) http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2011/09/hudud-pas-tidak-islamic.html
2)http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2008/11/hardying-and-softyang-of-islamic-law.html

akupun said...

anon:Perak Mufti, Harrusani said that

Rply:common man, gimme some source, i cant believe u.Btw,let me explain.

As i said,people who give witness,that There is no god but Allah,muhammad is messenger,jesus is messenger too..in principal,they are muslim-because thats a basic muslim belief,maybe harussani mentioned something like that which ye brain cant digest,so IF harussani said that, then it match with what i wrote here earlier.If not-then go hell with him.you too.

Pakyeh:When mainstream Muslims use hadis it corrupts Allah's law.

rply:Hadith never corrupt Allah law,its explaining Allah law,it is people who corrupt Allah law.

pak yeh said...

akupun said:
Pakyeh:When mainstream Muslims use hadis it corrupts Allah's law.

reply:Hadith never corrupt Allah law,its explaining Allah law,it is people who corrupt Allah law.

Pak Yeh's reply;
Allah say "lahwal hadis misleads Muslims.
1)refer Quran 31:6"Some people use "lahwal hadis"/vain hadis, to mislead others from Allahs path,without knowledge,and make a mockery of it9Allah's path/Islam"

2)Allah also say only word of Allah is His Law.refer Quran 18:24"Allah does not take anyone(all mankind including prophet Mohamad) as associate in His Law."

3)"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? (6:114)

Therefore man's words(hadis) is not Allah's Law.
Examples of lahwal hadis such as Israk Mikraj Allah blasphemy,hajar aswat paganism were given to you, but you fail to debate them.

pak yeh said...


Therefore man's words(hadis) is not Allah's Law.

As for Christians a similar ruling is true.
God's Law is from God's words ie the Old Testament.
The Gospels are man's words, people who never met Jesus,were not even Jesus deciples, writing something that the never saw/witness,and as such the Gospel is hearsay, and cannot be used as evidence in any court of law.Beside its all Greek and Pagan mythokogy.

Anonymous said...

akupun....

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/embrace-islam-if-you-want-to-use-allah-harussani-tells-non-muslims

kalau x percaya msia insider... cari kat utusan msia...

so he did say.....

Anonymous said...

akupun n pakyeh,

whatever said in malaysia... moslems worlwide dont give a shit to what local malaysians say about allah....

in the whole world, only some stupid locals here fight for allah

arabs have no problem, indonesia hv no problem, indians have no problem.......

for some reason, malaysia thinks they are the best moslem in the world....

i have worked in middle east yemen, uae, sudan, indonesia.... allah, alhamdulillah and asalamalaikum is just normal arabic words and greeting....

Malaysia indeed is not open minded, sesat, JAKUN and SAKAI compare to foreigners and arabs....

just get a arab guy in malaysia tourist or student and ask him or her about this... they will laugh at you...

pak yeh said...

Anonymous Thu Jan 10, 02:19:00 PM GMT+08:00

You know it is morally wrong and a miss translation to change your God's name.!!!
Allah will send you to hell for blaspheming/lying Him with trinity and son of god.!!!
Anybody(Arabs, Indon,UMNO or PAS) that allows you to change god's name without His permission will end up in hell.

akupun said...

Pak Yeh's reply;
Allah say "lahwal hadis misleads Muslims.
1)refer Quran 31:6"Some people use "lahwal hadis"/vain hadis, …"

2)Allah also say only word of Allah is His Law.refer Quran 18:24"Allah does not take anyone(all mankind including prophet Mohamad) as associate in His Law."

3)"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? (6:114)

Therefore man's words(hadis) is not Allah's Law.
Examples … fail to debate them.
Thu Jan 10, 01:23:00 PM GMT+08:00
pak yeh said...

Therefore man's words(hadis) is not Allah's Law.

As for Christians a similar ruling is true.
God's Law is from God's words ie the Old Testament.
The Gospels are man's words, people who never met Jesus,were not even Jesus deciples, writing something that the never saw/witness,and as such the Gospel is hearsay, and cannot be used as evidence in any court of law.Beside its all Greek and Pagan mythokogy.

Reply:
31: I did explained b4, it mean sing/singer, Lahwal mean entertainment,the surah was revealed for response to Quriasy who bought dancer/singer slave in order to corner people who were in their way to :Rasul bayan.U don’t know Arabic word neither study history of surah.

18:24 law mean Sunnatullah-law of physic like explained by Einstein,example precise expanding of universe/rotation of earth/sun etc..why isaid that? Because nowhere in 18:24 or 6:114 the word hadith/lahwal is mentioned.You show me is there is any word of lahwal/hadih in last 2 verse u quote..show me now.

Pakyeh,this is 2nd time u r red handed quoting surah translation wrongly,don’t discredit yourself just to win debate,18:24 actual translate:
“Without adding, "So please Allah." and call thy Lord to mind when thou forgettest, and say, "I hope that my Lord will guide me ever closer (even) than this to the right road."

Furthermore,when we examine 6:114 closer, Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah. - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, ‘explained’ in detail."

The word ‘explained’ there mean it was explained in detail by rasul,proof? There a lot of mutasyabihat ayat which cant be understand by people directly,and that’s was Rasul job,as a messenger and to give example of way of life,8:46-obey Allah and obey His Messenger.Obey rasul means obey in everything practice/oral etc.

You failed in debate earlier to show what solat is mentioned in 17:78,u r no more but a looser.

Anonymous said...

pak yeh...

wat if everything told few thousand years ago is a lie... just like CIA .... make up a story of miracle like moses splitting water and walk through, jesus awakening, and the religion of peace messenger... none of the 8 billion people can prove wat happen is true or false....

there is a possibility these of everything told is lie in order to get political power, land , women, war etc...

religion and god = power....

pak yeh said...

akupun.
Quran 31:6 say lahwal hadis misleads and not dancing girls misleads. U too stupid to undestand.When u say lahwal hadis is dancing girls,it is interpretation/tafsir and not translation.
Podah what an idiot.

Quran 18;24 and 6;14 say no other person is a partner in his hukum. that means all the perawi hadis and alledged prophet hadis should not be included in His law.
U too idiotic to undestand.

Anonymous said...

written by Smakentharajah, January 10, 2013 14:55:14
Dear Bishop Paul Tan

Why are you "fighting" just for a mere word , The Sultan is absolutely right in forbidding "others" from using the word Allah, just like Archbishop Murphy Pakiam forbid Catholics from receiving Holy communion in non catholic churches and non Catholics are forbidden from receiving communion in catholic churches, This is ridiculous , we catholics/christians dont need to use the word Allah, we call god as god or Yahweh or Tuhan, most importantly is to be a person of love , maybe you should read today's mass readings, please Bishop Paul Tan drop this it does not lead us any nearer to God , which is what you are supposed to be doing

Thank You

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Even Christians dont believe in changing their own god's name to Allah. What more do these minority Christians need to know in order to undestand that the word Allah is not used in the Bible by Christians.???

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...

pak yeh...

wat if everything told few thousand years ago is a lie... just like CIA .... make up a story of miracle like moses splitting water and walk through, jesus awakening, and the religion of peace messenger... none of the 8 billion people can prove wat happen is true or false....

there is a possibility these of everything told is lie in order to get political power, land , women, war etc...

religion and god = power....

+++++++++++
Pak yeh's reply:
Then we all become athiest la.!!!
No not so easy.!!!
The Quranic law is seen as good and it keeps you a Muslim.
On miracles etc, Islam does not make it compulsory to believe in miracles or illogical stories like what Christians do.It is possible to still be a Muslim even if you do not believe in the miracles/illogic parts of religion...by 1)saying these verses are alligory...an escape outlet for skeptics, and "what you do not see you do not believe guys".and another escape button is,Quran 2:256"There is no compulsion in religion."

akupun said...

Pakyeh:Quran 31:6 say lahwal hadis misleads and not dancing girls misleads. U too stupid to undestand.When u say lahwal hadis is dancing girls,it is interpretation/tafsir and not translation.

WHATTT? tafsir/interpretation? what an cattle man we got here, THATS a DIRECT translation of word lahwal,u know how to use google kah? go paste there this word: لَهْوَ
=lahwal,and get the answer, for more brilliant people, please refer to arabic dictionary, and see,who is lying, me or pak yeh.

kah kah kah, u r finish pakeyh..finish...bye bye..adios sayonara.

pak yeh said...

akupun said;
WHATTT? tafsir/interpretation? what an cattle man we got here, THATS a DIRECT translation of word lahwal,u know how to use google kah? go paste there this word: لَهْوَ
=lahwal,and get the answer, for more brilliant people, please refer to arabic dictionary, and see,who is lying, me or pak yeh.

I dunno what you talking about.??? Where does google say lahwal hadis is dancing girls.???
For your info many Muslims have dancing girls in disco. They are not mislead at all,in fact some maried them.Dancing girl slave were legal at that time when the prophet lived. Wahahaha. kantoi.

And what about the 2 other veses that you fail to debate.??? Kantoi2.
The verses say God's Law is from God;s words. Mans words is not God;s Law. Any science and logic guy knows that. Even a kid knows that.
But akupun? He is a lembu.Wahahaha.

pak yeh said...

akupun said;
WHATTT? tafsir/interpretation? what an cattle man we got here, THATS a DIRECT translation of word lahwal,u know how to use google kah? go paste there this word: لَهْوَ
=lahwal,and get the answer, for more brilliant people, please refer to arabic dictionary, and see,who is lying, me or pak yeh.

I dunno what you talking about.??? Where does google say lahwal hadis is dancing girls.???
For your info many Muslims have dancing girls in disco. They are not mislead at all,in fact some maried them.Dancing girl slave were legal at that time when the prophet lived. Wahahaha. kantoi.

And what about the 2 other veses that you fail to debate.??? Kantoi2.
The verses say God's Law is from God;s words. Mans words is not God;s Law. Any science and logic guy knows that. Even a kid knows that.
But akupun? He is a lembu.Wahahaha.

akupun said...

Pakyeh-I dunno what you talking about.??? Where does google say lahwal hadis is dancing girls.???
For your info many Muslims have dancing girls in disco. They are not mislead at all,in fact some maried them.Dancing girl slave were legal at that time when the prophet lived. Wahahaha. kantoi.

And what about the 2 other veses that you fail to debate.??? Kantoi2.

Reply-pls read above reply carefully-the answer for 2 other verse is given there.

I said b4,that lahwal hadith that u r cornering as bukhari/muslim is actually entertainment, not bukhari/muslim, I gave u history when that surah was reveled which was when the quraish was buying slave girls to give entertainment to mislead people who was in their way to rasul,to listen the word of God/Quran.

u still in denial, so I give u comparison, which one is more correct and nearer to translate meaning of word of Lahwal Hadith, from dictionary we get this for lahwal=1st=Fun, 2nd-amusement,3rd- sport,4- festivity, and there 4 more uncommon translation which is-diversion,lark,distraction and pastime.So if we take 1st n 2nd-it will match with translation given by aswj which stand for entertainment (singing in that time) and it cant come near to yr translation which said lahwal hadith=bukhari/muslim.

Now can u understand? Yr logic is clearly refuted.Pls use new logic brooo….u r doomed to fail with me, not Prof hajirin..haha..now..pls, im going to do ‘wustaa’ solat which is not the middle solat…haha..

Anonymous said...

Arab word for god is Illah.Abdullah means slave of Illah/God.

===

The fact that the Prophet's father's name is Ab illah, it shows that the word Allah is pre Islam.

Islam too borrows the word from the Arabs before Islam came into existance.

so others too can use this arabic term.

Why are you people so chetek ?

pak yeh said...

akupun said:
I said b4,that lahwal hadith that u r cornering as bukhari/muslim is actually entertainment, not bukhari/muslim, I gave u history when that surah was reveled which was when the quraish was buying slave girls to give entertainment to mislead people who was in their way to rasul,to listen the word of God/Quran.

Pak Yeh's reply:
That is hadis Ulama bulshit history. But what about hadis/history that the prophet banned and burned the hadis.???Isn't that the reason why Quran 31:6 was revealed.??? Lahwal hadis = bukhari Muslim Hadis = unauthorised/banned hadis.???
Let us not translate the word hadis. We agree that Allah says hadi to mislead others.??? Then lets find out which hadis it is>??? agree.
If you say lahwal means entertainment, but entertainment is not lahwal or something that misleads. You like to listen to songs and singers right.??? does that mislead you from Allahs path/Islam ???
Common man Entertainment is good and is not lahwal hadis that misleads and make a mockery of Allahs path/Islam. So which hadis is misleading and make a mockery of Islam. My answer is it might be the fake hadis within some of the Bukhari muslim hadis ,namely 1)) Israk mikraj haids because it says Allah misplaned the solat. 2) The hajar aswat hadis which makes Muslims look like pagans. and 3) the monkey as one of the perawi hadis on stoning of adulterer.

What say you if "lahwal hadis" means "fake hadis" like above 3 hadis and 4) drimking Camel urine hadis.??? Doesnt these hadis mislead and make a mockery of Islam.???

Anonymous said...

http://www.copticchurch.net/cgibin/bible/index.php?r=John+1&version=SVD&btn=View

وَكَانَ الْكَلِمَةُ اللَّهَ. هَذَا كَانَ فِي الْبَدْءِ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ. كُلُّ شَيْءٍ بِهِ كَانَ وَبِغَيْرِهِ لَمْ يَكُنْ شَيْءٌ مِمَّا كَانَ.

Pak Yeh,

Read the Arabic Bible as you have difficulty understanding the English version.

akupun said...

Alhamdulillah,now u r on track,thanks for accepting lahwal mean, like this then we can continue to find the truth,the problem with u earlier is u are not accepting even 1 point from others, that make me piss off.

Ok old man, lets go further.Hadith translated mean= report , account, tale, narrative, talk , speech, discourse, words, yarn, spiel, late, modern, recent, red-hot, up-to-date.If u can see pakyeh, there are 7 meaning that should be done orally-tale/narrative/talk/speech etc, only 2 which give meaning that it is written-report/account.Im not not going to argue that, but when we combine and put together lahwal hadih, it will clearly show act of something happening which is closer to singing etc and match with aswj translate, it will no where go closer to the act of writing/written report that u said Hadith bukhari/muslim-now can u get the picture?

Pakyeh: Common man Entertainment is good

Rply-Pakyh,i never said ent. Is not good,but overall we are talking about ‘entertainment that misslead’ is not good,do u want to challenge me that entertainment sometimes can mislead us from the way of islam,from pray etc.? you have to pond more on philosophy of Punk/skinhead and all gila rock entertainment disco/pub/rumah pelacuran/gro…don’t u see how umno create instant concert of k-pop artist showing their underwear just few meters from Utz Azhar ceramah? That’s lahwal Hadith.Islam also never said ent. Is not good, but ‘Ent. Which misslead’ is not good,u have to understand.

I wont debate matter concerning bout weak/fake Hadith,we have to gain more knowledge in order to find the correct one, not kicking it all,if we kick it all, it will cramp Islam to set of principal only,well loose explainer/example of rasul who was sent to give mankind an example from their own kind.Well loose everything pakyeh,Christians worshipper of dracula will **** us from front and back.

Pakyeh: But what about hadis/history that the prophet banned and burned the hadis

Reply:I wonder, why u quote something from hadis that u don’t believe? Are u debating to find the truth or is it matter of winning only?,give me ref. to hadith that say hadis itself was burnt by rasul.As I explain b4,there was kinda discourage in time when Quran was not completely revealed,maybe rasul don’t want the word of hadis and Quran later mixed and confused people,that’s why Rasul discourage earlier, but later when Quran was complete,rasul never say anything to people like Abu huraira eventhough rasul know he was writing about what rasul say/do.

Pakyeh,my last word, u have to take short course given by Dr jonathan brown on Hadith-it is on my blog,front page.

akupun said...

i forget 1 more thing:

Pakyeh:What say you if "lahwal hadis" means "fake hadis" like above 3 hadis and 4) drimking Camel urine hadis.??? Doesnt these hadis mislead and make a mockery of Islam.???

Repky:,drinking camel or pig urine is clearly mocking, but how you will define that as lahwal=entertainment?,from my understanding it is 'mocking',not an 'entertainment/lahwal',we cant accept hadith is some kind of entertainment/lahwal.

who will get entertained by reading bout drinking camel urine? u? kah kah kah..u r such pakpandir then..kah kah kah..pardon me..

pak yeh said...

akupun,
Sory I am busy today.
This debate is irrelevant to the article.
Since u r very eager to debate, I will create another article for you titled Quran only Islam Vs Quran and Islam.
Please be prepared with Quran proofs, as hadis proofs are not the word of god,ans as such will not be accepted as concrete evidence.
Do you prefer it in English or Malay.

pak yeh said...

akupun,
Lahwal hadis also means fake hadis. Out of 80,000 hadis only 10% made it into his saheh book. reason.? It is fake hadis + lahwal hadis = misleading hadis = mocking Islam hadis.

Your last post was delited, not by me but by "the force". I understand you refuse to debate,So I am not going to make another article, so as you can debate.

I dunno why you put Bukhari Muslim hadis(5x solat and monkey hadis/words) above the Quran(3x solat/God's words).???

Anyway .adios,Sayonara.
May Bukhari Muslim be with you.
Wahahah.

akupun said...

i will no more debate any topic in yr blog.Its act of unjust by deleting my reply,and its not fair too.

2:279-Deal not unjustly, and ye shall not be dealt with unjustly.

pakyeh,what happen to Harunyahya?..his disciple look like whore,im frustrated.i was his fan since yr 2000,Im frust with Hadi/Nik aziz too..this is a month of frustration. I will not defend bukhari/muslim any more,nor aswj/syiah/wahhabi/pas/umno or anyone,they are all loosers!Liar! everyone!

12 yrs if we put trust to someone,finally we found our heart is filled with shit,O man..nothing to say anymore..

pak yeh said...

brother akupun,
One more Question before sayonara.
1)Do you realy believe prophet Mohamad marrying a 6 year old girl(Aishah is a saheh hadis or a lahwal hadis.??? is a sunnah of prophet,??? Or is it a lie by lahwal hadis compiler Bukhari Muslim and other hadis Ulamas.???
If sunnah from saheh hadis and not lahwal hadis, then we can marry 6 year olds.??? Would you give in marriage you own 6 year old.???
Is this "prophet Mohamad marrying a 6 year old girl" hadis not a lahwal hadis that misleads and make a mockery of Islam..???

akupun said...

continue from my blog.

im not going to debate it,coz pakyeh, u see now, in present day of modern era, minimum age for women to marry in Texas is 15,even lower like 13(this is fact) in some circumstances(prgnancy ect), in Russia-16,Kuwait-15,Scotland 16,england 18(but 16 with parental consent),Canada 15-with judical consent,Malysia 18-But latest in Kedah is 13 with judical consent.


So u are now talking bout Aishah fourteen hundreds yrs ago, for me its okay if she was around 9-13,because in modern era also we accept that, why not 1400 yrs ago? why u fall in their pedophile dogma, pedophile never marry!

marriable age source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age

pak yeh said...

akupun.So u accept mary at 6 and screw at 9 as sunnah of prophet.?
U a phidopile like bukhari Muslim n Arabs.

Not marry is phidopile Mary is not phidopile is bullshit.

So you agree with phidopile as good sunnah and goog hadis of prophet.?

Age thirteen as maraigeble age too depends on menstruation or not. But we are not talking about age 13. We are talking about marrying at 6 n f#$% at 9 U give u daughter to marry at 6.???
What a phidopile. Wahahaha. Prophet dont do it Bukhari Muslim say prophet do it....AND U BELIEF THAT PROPHET IS A PHIDOPILE> Yu a kafir 4 believing in Bukhari Muslim lies.

akupun said...

i have no answer, why dont u tell me, why muslim bukhari add this hadis in their compilation eventough they know it will ignite chaos in later time?

akupun said...

close this topic la pakyeh, all malaysian christian look like coward,nobody have the guts to defend yr argument, we end up arguing differnt topic.

pak yeh said...

akupun said...

i have no answer, why dont u tell me, why muslim bukhari add this hadis in their compilation eventough they know it will ignite chaos in later time?

Pak Yeh's answer:
With my tremendous experience into Muslum Christian cults I know that a lie is inserted into many truth to enslave their followers.

This place is closed. Its open only 4 you cuz u have not stopped debating, although out of topic.

Anonymous said...

Just one comment...

the word Brahma, the creators name in Hindu religion & Abraham / Ibrahim sounds similar... so it looks like all 3 names similar and refer to the one God....

whats your comment??

pak yeh said...

It is possible that Abrahams religion is the Hindu one god religion.
Quran says Abraham is the father of One God religion.
In the Quran it is said that Abraham was thrown into fire, but the fire did not burn him. Hindu walking on fire could be Abraham tradition.

akupun said...

of coz its same.

if u analyze hindu holiest scripture it says in Upanishad
"Ikkam evaditium" Translate-He is one only wothout a second.
-"na casya casuj janita na cadhipah"-Of him,there are neither parent nor lord
-"Na tasya pratima asti"-There is no one likeness of him.

u see, thats matchin with Quran 112:1-4, it been their priest who make idol and said that Hinduism have 300millions of gods.

But to say Abraham religion is hindu religion there will be argument, coz no where in vedas or upanishad the word HINDU is mentioned, it is given later by arabs ho come there(merchant) or given by the priest themselves.So if the holiest script of hindu doesn't mention word Hindu, then it must be something else,which is not hindu.I dunno what, pakyeh is better in this field.

1 more thing-Brahma/abraham may sound same, but its different, abraham is English language, the arabs call him ibrahim.And ib rahim is human but brahma is crator,and ibrahim cannot be creator because if he created his own self,then who created adam and people before him? and who crated this world that exist before him.

Anonymous said...

akupun,

name hindu religion, church, christian religion, pope etc us creatwed by people or leaders in those days... in reality, its a label given...even malaysia or malaya is a british creation...

jesus for example never say I am founder of christianity or I am a messenger of christian God... he never say there should be a church oor pope in rome...

same goes for the so called religious department, Raja and Sultan (creation of Hindu culture) asal usul mlayu mana ada raja etc.... raja itself is a sanskrit hindu word...

By the way most of these golongan bangsawan umno n kerabat rja is kaki mimum kaki pompuan... casino genting kt mana?? pahang... negeri aper tu.... saper punya tanah?? saper bagi??

Anonymous said...

Ekam Sat Viprah Bahudha Vadanti....
in Rig Veda which means

'There is only one truth, only men describe it in different ways'


According to Hinduism, the body alone dies. the soul within the body never dies, But the path the soul takes is decided upon the past actions which are known as karmas. So the actions of former body does not die with the body. Past actions are attached to the body and they decide what kind of body the soul takes in the next life. When an individual soul exhausts all its karmas and merges with God then Hindus say that soul has attained salvation.

Does that mean one has to take millions of lives to achieve salvation?

No, absolutely not. That question is the question many ask. Hindu scriptures, especially the Bhagavad Gita very clearly says that one can attain salvation in one life, provided one surrender his will to the will of God 100%. Lord Krishna said: "Those who surrender all actions to me and regard me as the supreme goal and worship me with whole hearted devotion, will be saved by me from repeated births and deaths." In another verse, Lord Krishna said: "Give up all your righteous and non-righteous actions and come to me; take refuge in me. Then I shall free you from all sins; grieve not." That me who is mentioned is not the Lord Krishna but the absolute soul or God. Krishna is one of the representations of that God. That God can appear in another form like Christ or without any form or name at all.

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymous Mon Jan 14, 10:46:00 AM GMT+08:00

I dont know who u r but what u say is very logical indeed.
Although my religion does not state karma but I tend to agree that it is a good people management system.

But what about idol worshiping.???
Does it bring you any closer to God,or is it a corrupted part of Hinduism.???

Anonymous said...

pak yeh,

to your question about idol worshiping.... personally i dont believe it, but its allowable although the best is worship god is not by going to masjid or temple or church but by ones Deeds and Action. Hindus themselves are from many types animist, secular, fundamentalist, those who believe in one god 'brahman' or many gods (which again people say its actually manifestation of One God)

what the point of praying everyday when after prayers do sin and nonsense.

i knew of a fren who rite after friday prayers in USM watching porn movie in his room when i visited him, not even buka baju melayu n songkok...

According to hindus, as mentioned all kind of worship is okey...the river path is many but all end up going to same ocean.

Ekam Sat Viprah Bahudha Vadanti....

'There is only one truth, only men describe it in different ways'

Did really god ask people of different sect, religion, region fight each other or is as always human stupidity???

You can step or burn Bhagavad Gita or Bible, there wont be any riot or murder or fatwa, only disappointment by their worshipers, there was even a hindu god ganesha on beer bottle and on selipars in western countries...people just petioned and later it was removed....

The world need to learn to be civilized, or else better come the Kiamat day... as i dont feel anyone deserve to live in this world. Its better the dinosaurs come back....

Lynaz Kuantan is one example, money overules health, why whiteman australia cant open the facility there but process in Pahang??? Its a huge continent country, they can do it in the middle of desert, you see how the leaders here take money and give approval??

The Deception really is playing with moslem emotion with Allah against christians so that pemimpin rasuah terus berkuasa...

Its an art of deception alrite, only when you really realize.








Anonymous said...

what is called as noah or nabi nuh,
look at a similar story here...

Manu, the 1st human

In various Hindu traditions, Manu is a title accorded to the progenitor of mankind. He is also considered the first king to rule this earth, who saved mankind from the great flood — after being warned of it by the Matsya avatar of Vishnu,[1] who had also advised him to build a giant boat. The story is mentioned in early Hindu scriptures such as the Satapatha Brahmana, and it has often been compared with the popular traditions of a Great Deluge from other cultures around the world,[2] particularly that of Noah's Ark.[3] Because Manu was believed to be absolutely honest, he was initially known as Satyavrata ("One with the oath of truth"). His wife was Satarupa (Shatrupa).

pak yeh said...

Yeah,.any similiarities between Jews Christian and Muslim relgion, i see.
But as I see it in every religion there exist an anti prophet, tasked to mislead by replacing falsehood with truth,ie the Geobbels Principle.

Can you tell me about fire walking and the thaipusam imolution.??? Is it another religion within Hindu religion.Where is its source.? In the scriptures or just tradition.?
Hinduism as I see it is 1)Revealed Scriptures 2)Mythology, and 3) magical traditions.
I agree with deeds as better than worship. In the Quran there is a verse saying that zikirAllah is better than solat/prayer. I interpret Zikir Allah as good deeds in the name of Allah.

akupun said...

what?

"...You can step or burn Bhagavad Gita or Bible there wont be any riot or murder or fatwa..."

-are u serious? but thousand was killed in Babri Masjid incident,just because of 'foundation',when talking about fanatic, then no one is much better than those idiot who kill people just because of "old foundation".

btw pakyeh, this karma stuff sound similiar to yr teaching.Happy debate.
haha..

Anonymous said...

fire walking is a folk kampong tradition... very minority people do it like syiah tradition of bleeding themselves with tools. A lot people dont do it.

Thaipusam is a regional celebration, the act of piercing is not important, its again not mainstream tradition. Not all hindus celebrate it anyway.

pak yeh said...

akupun said:
btw pakyeh, this karma stuff sound similiar to yr teaching.Happy debate.
haha..

Pak Yeh's reply:
Pak Yeh only teach the Quran/Allah's words/message.

But akupun teach, Ulama/perawi(transmiter)hadis and even MONKEY HADIS. Wahahaha.

Off course none of those hadis were prophet Mohamad's hadis, because the prophet and the Kalifas banned and burned all hadis.The proof is in the book of hadis and history Wahahaha.

Allah too banned hadis as per ...
1)Quran 31:6 "Some people use lahwal hadis to misleads others from Allahs path(Islam),without knowledge, and make a mockery of it(Allahs path/Islam)

2)Quran 17:2"Take not other than Me, as disposer of affairs".

3)Quran 12:4"Surely the ‘HUKM’ (Law and Rule) is for none but Allah."

4)Quran 18:26"He does not make any one His associate in His ‘HUKM’ (Laws and Ruling)."

You lahwal hadis ASWJ/Syiah, kantoi!!! Wahahaha.

Anonymous said...

akupun,

when we die, we know who is rite and who is wrong....

as raja petra kamaruddin says, everybody follows a particular religion because they were born to it, follow what their parent believe.

of course babri happened, riot is always wrong, but the masjid itself was built by invader babar on land considered holy to hindus. If something similar done by the jews like al-aqsa or whatever, the moslems would also react the same.

the incident happened 20 years ago, no need mention again.

the hindus themselves are a vast collection of belief for eg. imagine sunni, syiah, ahmadiya, wahhabi, etc in unity and tolerant with each other without any groups or belief calling each other sesat.... or catholics, methodist, protestant , mormons in christianity.... that is hindu tolerance.

Unity in Diversity. You have not much conflict in the world if people in the world really practice this.

pak yeh said...

Mr Anonymous Tue Jan 15, 12:03:00 AM GMT+08:00

So fire walking and Thaipusam is not from the revealed scriptures.?It is a mystic similar to matial arts,the way I see it.
Mythology of Mahabrata n Ramayana is also not from the revealed scriptures.?
Can u define which are the real revealed/gods word scriptures.?
Looks like all religions had been corrupted by anti prophets.
There is a Quran verse that say the same thing.

So what is the core of True Hindu teaching.? Just doing good or meditation or yoga contortions, or Nirvana like Buddhism.?
I understand that Buddhism is a Hindu cult rather than a religion on its own, am I right.?

akupun said...

anaon:of course babri happened, riot is always wrong, but the masjid itself was built by invader babar on land considered holy to hindus. If something similar done by the jews like al-aqsa or whatever, the moslems would also react the same.

Me:yeah, now u come to the point,all same, previously u are talking like hindu/christ is so pure and will not react if their vedas/bible burnt,unlike Islam.

i agree on this.All same ok.(people)

Anonymous said...

Buddhism branch out or influenced by hindu. The reason, Prince Siddhartha who founded the religion was a hindu, the karma concept is there, he improvised it. whether he is a prophet, i dont know.

Budhism also have many types, the sri lankan one, chinese one, taiwanese, etc...

mahabharata and ramayana is stories in the scriptures. Did it happened physically on earth or is a story mentioned by God as an example and moral values and teaching is very subjective. Different people view it differently. There are a lot school of taughts, none is compulsory, you can read the bhagavad gita or no need to. No one force you.

Life and religion in the end is your own individual journey. Its up to you on what to believe or not to. No one should be forced, thats why generally, you dont see between hindus belief, there is no such thing as sesat.

All institution are man made, it could be all of them are sesat from the true God teachings, humans after all are humans, not perfect.


pak yeh said...

Anonymous Tue Jan 15, 04:58:00 PM GMT+08:00said:
there is no such thing as sesat.

Pak Yeh reply:
This is where we differ.Allah and even your Veda God say there is only one god. So if others say there is more that one god,then they are sesat/misled.

I think the reason you say that is because of Zen Budhism or Zen Hinduism concept.Zen means zero. No good and no bad. This is only applicable to God. But as long as we are humans,we cannot have a zero mind. I see Zen Budhism as a sesat of the true Budhism.

I also see Budhism as a Gurus teaching from Hindu.
I have read Bagavat Gita more than 20 years ago.It talks about one god alright.

Anonymous said:
All institution are man made, it could be all of them are sesat from the true God teachings, humans after all are humans, not perfect.

Pak Yehs reply:
This I totally agree. Religion(Priesthood/Church) is a political institution to monopoly God.
ONLY THE ENLIGHTENED CAN SEE WHO IS SESAT/MISLED AND WHO IS ON THE RIGHT PATH, BECAUSE HE HAS EXCESS TO GOD,ie ILHAM/INTUITION.

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh,

Sila komen kalau sudi..

http://www.malaysiawaves.net/2013/01/beratus-tahun-org-melayu-guna-kalimah2.html

Anonymous said...

The prophecy tells about Ahmad; 'Servant of God' whom will war to correct the wrongs and bringing judgement based on the law of God. He will also liberate Arabia from worshiping molten images. Wilderness (desert), villages and cities will glorify God since then. As can be seen today, whole of Arabia are worshiping,praising God and singing words of God daily.

And we continue reading Isaiah 42:18 - 25; about Children of Israel, whom will still be deaf and blind neglecting the message brought by this 'Servant of God'.
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In Isaiah 42:1, it is not a coincidence upon seeing the writing of both אתמך (Atmc) אחמד (Ahmd). And the word before אתמך (Atmc), is עבדי (Abedi~My Servant). For indeed, It is indicating Ahmad; Abedallah (Ahmad; Servant of God).

Not to mention אתמך (Atmc) is a special term foretelling the coming of a righteous man and is used only ONCE throughout the entire Book. [could this be a copying error or an intended error?]

Children of Israel have been foretold upon the coming of Ahmad but sadly, only a few accepts.

pak yeh said...

Thank you very much for your educational Bible and Hebrew referenced comments.