Monday, June 1, 2009

Christian Dogmas Debunked

In my previous articles, 1)The devil in Disguise,2)The Devil(Satan) and angel made simple and 3) Satan,Ulama,Hadis and ISA,I have explained how easy it was for Satan to get into the body of religious and political people as he did the body of the snake in Adam and Eve's time, in order to get the whole herd of their followers to be his followers.Satan convinced Adam and Eve that it was necessary to be knowledgeable by eating the fruit of knowledge, in order to be like God,when in fact it was only half the truth.They did become like God by being knowledgeable,however they also became mortal and ungod like. The second phase of Satan's plan is to trick mankind again by saying that it is God like and good to be unintelligent. Hence mankind would be immortal and unintelligent and hence totally unGod like twice over. This strategy is in the form of blind beliefs which is inherent in all religions.It is a process called de-education with the object to mislead and falsify the real truth.
Proof of this process of de-education or falsification of truth is in :-

1)The Christians priest's statement that says,"If you use your mind to understand Trinity you lose your mind.If you reject Trinity you lose your soul".

With this dogma, that discourages the use of the mind,the process of deceiving or de-educating Christian followers are made easier. More mind boggling dogmas are further invented and this process is repeated until the real religion is no more what it originally was and the followers made to blindly belief what is told,no matter how illogical it is. Followers of religion then without knowing due to the de-education/brainwashing, will surrender their intellect to their Priests.This Priest then set up their own Institution to justify themselves as the Masters over the de-educated/brainwashed followers. With this methodology the followers of religion are easily led by their noses like cows.

Lets take a good look at the other dogmas of Christianity.
They are :-
2)The concept of sin.The Christians have two types of sin.

2.1)The normal sin which we bear ourselves.This sin cannot be inherited or passed to another person.

2.3.)The original sin which was inherited from Adam and Eve when they ate the apple that God had forbidden to be eaten. This sin we can ask Jesus to forgive, in fact we do not have to ask because Jesus already decided to bear and suffer for our original sin.
The contention here is the original sin was committed by Adam and Eve, so it is Adam and Eve that has to bear and suffer for it.It does not make sense that Jesus should suffer for Adam and Eve's sin and on top of it the original sin inherited from Adam and Eve of every mankind.The story also goes that only Jesus can bear and suffer for this original sin of the whole of mankind because he did not inherit the original sin,due to his immaculate birth.
My contention here is that Jesus is still tainted by the original sin because he was made out of his mothers ovum although the other half of him the Holy Spirit being his father is free of original sin.So this free from original sin of Jesus does not hold water,because Mary his Mother would have inherited the original sin and passed it on to Jesus.
Thean again,this argument is valid if you belief in original sin that is inherited.
But original sin that is inherited does not make sense and is debunked by logic.
So the process of de-education or falsification or brainwashing is complete the minute someone believes in inherited original sin.

3)The concept of Jesus is God.
Originally the Christian were Unitarians or believers in one God.Later on as the religion is being influenced by the Nicean Creed during the Roman Empire. The three God concept was borrowed from the Greeks and Plato(Refer to wikipedia on Trinity).
Jesus cannot be God because a God cannot be so hapless as to be crucified on the cross.To say that Jesus is Gods sacrifice so that mankind can be saved from original sin is not logical as argued above.The fact that Jesus was born out of a mortal mother makes him to be mortal.The fact that he died on the cross makes him also a mortal.The fact that the devil tried to tempt him also signifies that he is a mortal.Satan could not have tempted God who already have everything.

4)The concept of the Holy Spirit is God.
This concept is very deceiving because the Holy Spirit cannot be seen. Some say it is an angel. Some say that it is the life in Jesus and all of us.If it is the life that is in all of us and every living thing most people would believe in it. But if it is said that the holy Spirit belongs to Jesus alone then it is not the universal Spirit of God and is not God.Most people can accept the Holy universal Spirit of God as God.However some people belief that God is the Unseen(Spirit) and the Seen(Nature),as such this concept is considered half a truth if the holy Spirit is the Universal Spirit of life.

5)The Trinity concept.
This concept says God is Three and yet is One.
This is a statement that contradicts itself.Attempts to make sense of it by comparing it to the sun,its rays and its heat does not hold water, as the ray and the heat does not exist without the sun.In fact the sun can exist without the rays and the heat. Therefore It can be said that the sun is God and the rays and the heat is but the creation of the sun. Similarly, God can exist without Jesus and the Holy spirit, but Jesus and the Holy Spirit can not exist without God. That makes God the God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit a non God and a creation that depends on God for their existence.

Other than the dogmas the Christian religion is a very good religion that make their followers very loving towards others.
Without the dogmas Christianity is Islam. The Quran says Jesus and all the prophets preach Islam.
There is a belief that Jesus would come again because his mission was in complete because he was murdered on the cross.The incomplete work of Jesus is the setting up of Gods government.
To this my article "The concept of the Messiah" adresses it.From a Muslim point of view the prophet mohammad completed Jesus mission,having imlemented a Revolusion in economics and non slavery of Gods govenment during his time.
The fact that it is all but destroyed now, calls for another Messiah or Mahadi as the Hadis says.
Mr Sun Myung Moon of Unification Church calls himself the Messiah and that Jesus lives in him.Christianity being a belief in dogmas and refusing to use logic as a means to the truth, have no means to prove or disprove it.
Like I said in my article "The concept of the Messiah" Anybody who solves the peoples problems will be considered a Messiah,be it Karl Marx,Ghandi,Mao Tse Tung,Mandela etc,etc. That verily is a more non dagmati defination of the Messiah.

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

O, Pak Yeh,

No point lah, one does not learn the teachings of the Bible from the Koran lah.

Just stick to your believe and live the best as your God wants you to. After all its only when one dies that one will know where one goes.

Of course , I will stick to what my God wants of me to the best of my ability and face his judgement on the last day.

Shalom, Amin, Amen

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymouse no.1,
My method of undestanding Christianity is not from the Quran. It is the method of common sense and logic.In order not to be biased in my judgement, I have studied all religions and I find that Satan has corrupted all religions, including the Muslim religion.The real Quran Islam has been replaced by the Hadis Islam. Similiarly the real Christianity(One God) has been replaced by Roman/Greek God Trinity(three Gods).
Be careful in choosing a God an religion.You might end up in hell for telling lies that God is three.
Be a Unitarian Christian.You cannot be wrong if you worship the God who was not murdered on the cross. It is safer.Worship the real God.Satan would love you to worship a human(Jesus),the weak,murdered creation of God, instead of the real Invincible God,the Creator.
Dont fall into Satans trap. A human like Jesus, coming out of a mortal vaginas, and murdered by Romans cannot be God.That would be mocking God to say that He can be killed by Romans.
Salam/Peace

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh,

I would like to share something with you.

"One of the most astonishing features is that virtually every one of the clearly Messianic passages of the Old Testament contains the name Yeshua - Jesus - encoded within the text at intervals such as every 2nd letter or every 20th letter, etc. As an example, Yacov found the name Yeshua embedded in the text of Isaiah 53:10 that prophesied about the atoning sacrifice that Christ made for our sins on the cross two thousand years ago. "Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand" (Isaiah 53:10). Beginning with the second Hebrew letter yod in the Hebrew phrase "He shall prolong," "ya'arik Kyray," Yacov counted forward every 20th letter and discovered the phrase " - Yeshua - Shmi" which means "Yeshua [Jesus] is My Name" encoded in this verse about the suffering Messiah who died to atone for our sins. Mathematicians calculated the probability that this astonishing combination of letters spelling "Yeshua [Jesus] is My Name" would occur by random chance in Isaiah is only one chance in 50 quadrillion, an inconceivable number!"

==Want to read more ?. Go to http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/article6.htm

jc

Anonymous said...

Similiarly the real Christianity(One God) has been replaced by Roman/Greek God Trinity(three Gods).

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Pak Yeh,

Please these :

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 (written: 712 BC (Before Christ)

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:23

For unto us a Child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder: and his name will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (written: 712 BC (Before Christ)

And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people. Luke 7:16

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

because he had not only broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:18

Jesus said:
I and my Father are one. John 10:30

The Jews answered him [Jesus], saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. John 10:33

When many were about to stone Jesus for blasphemy (John 10:30-39), He said to them that said he blasphemed "because I said, I am the Son of God?" (John 10:36).

You call Me Teacher and Lord; and ye say well; for so I Am. John 13:13


But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
And Jesus said, I Am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Mark 14:61-62

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalm 110:1

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9

"Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority; but the Father who dwells in me does his works." ( John 14:10)

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5

And Thomas answered and said unto him [Jesus], My Lord and my God. John 20:28 "


jc

pak yeh said...

Dear anonymouse jc,
Yes I have read the link.Are you saying that God and jesus have the same name ???
Yet that does not proof that Jesus is God. It is probably a prediction of a messiah named Jesus.Mesiahs come and go.Muhammad was a Messiah too.It was predicted by the same old testament bibble that god told Isac that he would raise up a Messiah from his brother(ismael).
I dont remember the verse.I'll get bach to you.

Anonymous said...

Hi, Pak Yeh,

Please read this near death testimony of one Ian McCormick. Do muslims have such testimonies to share ?.

Please read at:http://bibleprobe.com/iansNDE.htm

Please share with me your view.

salam,

jc

Anonymous said...

Hello, Pak Yeh,

How about this ?. :Jesus mediates with God
the Father for Valvita!

Read more at http://bibleprobe.com/valvita.htm

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Please take your time Pak Yeh, to rebuke all that.

jc

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh,

Read the testimony :

The Remarkable Testimony of a Buddhist monk in Myanmar (Burma) who came back to life a changed man!


Story told by Athet Pyan Shinthaw Paulu

at http://bibleprobe.com/backfromthedead.htm

Do you have any such testimonies from Muslims meeting God ?. Sure would like to read them.

jc

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymous jc.
Yes muslims have many testimonies too.We have the/prophet Muhammad's words too. But these are like vain sayings or hadis compared to Gods words in the Quran.
How do you know those who testify do it because of Satan asked the to do it??? And Satan is always in disguise.

pak yeh said...
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pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymous jc and all Christians,

John 14:16 "And i will pray the Father,and He will give you another "Comforter",that he may abide with you forever."

The Comfrter is another prophet predicted by Jesus and it should be Muhammad.

John 16:7 "Nevertheles I tell you the truth.it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away,the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart. I will send him unto you.

Isn't the Comforter another prophet after Jesus???

Tamerlane said...

Christianity is the invention of Paul who never met jesus and sold out many of the teachings of Jesus to appeal to the gentiles incorporating the pagan rites, trinity, abandoning the sabbath in favor of the day of the sun,circumcision, eating pork etc. If Jesus were alive to day, and you mention christianity, he woudnt have a clue what that meant.

And also we have the Jews, the greatest story tellers of all time who have rewritten parts of the bible to suit their needs and justify their atrocities toward the Moabites,canaanites,edomites etc.And to portray that they are the chosen race and prophethood can only come from the line of Jacob.sigh... And they complain about racism and antisemitism.

Pak yeh, the OT verse you mentioned is

Deuteronomy 18:18-19
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."


The OT also speaks of the coming of an arabian prophet from the desert of Paran (arabia)


Deuteronomy 33:2 (King James Version)
And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.


p.s. to those using the Bible to support the divinity of Christ, know that the New testament is a collection of books selected by the early church. Books which are based primarly by the writings of Paul in favor of Christ as God while abandong those that potrays him as a man. I can use the same bible to quote veres where Jesus claimed he was a man. Can you quote the Final testament(Quran) where jesus says he is a God?

Anonymous said...

John 14:16 "And i will pray the Father,and He will give you another "Comforter",that he may abide with you forever."

The Comfrter is another prophet predicted by Jesus and it should be Muhammad.
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Ai ya ! Pak Yeh, why didn't you read further ?. In the same chapter 14: 26

" But the Counsellor, the Holy Spirit , whom the Father will send in my name,....."

Is your Prophet sent in Jesus's name ?.

Kindly do not try to study the Bible through the Koran, it doesn't work that way. Its incompatible.

jc

Anonymous said...

Can you quote the Final testament(Quran) where jesus says he is a God?

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LOL, reading the Bible from the Koran ? No wonder you get so confused with the teaching of the Bible.

Bro, unto each his own. Ha, ha.

jc

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymous/jc,
Yet you cannot deny that the verses John 14:16 and 16:7 is evidence that someone else other than Jesus himself is entrusted by God to complete Jesus mission.

Anonymous / jc said ;Why you didnt read further? In the same chapter John 14:26.
"But the Councellor,the Holy Spirit,whom the Father will sent in my name...."

The Holy Spirit is the same as Angel Gabrael who relayed Gods massage to prophet Muhammad.
Be it the Holy Spirit or the Angel Gabrael God has fulfilled Jesus prediction.

Dear jc,
Are you saying that Jesus and not someone else is what is meant by John 14:16 and 16:7???
Sorry my dear. There is no evidence to support it.

Anonymous said...

The Holy Spirit is the same as Angel Gabrael who relayed Gods massage to prophet Muhammad.
Be it the Holy Spirit or the Angel Gabrael God has fulfilled Jesus prediction.

Dear jc,
Are you saying that Jesus and not someone else is what is meant by John 14:16 and 16:7???
Sorry my dear. There is no evidence to support it.


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Pak Yeh,

Mine, you are confused,The Holy Spirit is not Jesus.

Read John 20:21 -22

" Jesus said to them again"Peace be with you"As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." 22 "And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them "Receive the Holy Spirit".


By the way, the Bible speaks of the "Angel of Light" which is the demon.

Did the being that appeared to your Prophet identify itself as Gabrial ?.

I read that it was a Christian woment who told the prophet that the being must be the angel Gabrial. It did not identify itself as such to your prophet.

(By the way I read it in MT)

I think it is futile as we each have our own belief. You will defend yours and I, mine. Ha, ha,

I will not believe you nor you me.So just let it be eh?.

jc

pak yeh said...

Dear jc,
I am not letting you off the hook.
You have avoided going into detail about John 14:16,16:7 and 16:26. Who the is the Comforted if Jesus said it is not himself.
The Holy Spirit would need man/prophet to lead mankind.
Who other than Jesus himself is Jesus talking about ???

Anonymous said...

Dear jc,
I am not letting you off the hook.
You have avoided going into detail about John 14:16,16:7 and 16:26. Who the is the Comforted if Jesus said it is not himself.

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First I like to quote the passage below:

The New King James Version
Matthew 13 Read This Chapter

13:10
And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"

13:11
He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

13:12
For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

13:13
Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

13:14
And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;

13:15
For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should F58 heal them.' F59

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2) The New King James Version
John 16 Read This Chapter

16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

(Pak Yeh, you have taken this out of context. Cleverly, you tried to fool those who do not know the Bible, what you are trying to say is that the Helper is your prophet Muhammad ?. Far from it . Read on, its the Holy Spirit. Is Muhamad a spirit ?.)

16:8
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

16:9
of sin, because they do not believe in Me;

16:10
of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;

16:11
of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

16:12
I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.

16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

16:14
He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.

( so are you also going to say that Jesus is referring to Muhamad ?. LOL, Jesus is talking of the Holy Spirit that His Father will send after He has gone back to the Father.)

3)
The New King James Version
Acts 2 Read This Chapter

2:1
When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord* in one place.

2:2
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.

2:3
Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.

2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

( Ha, ha, Pak Yeh, God sends the Holy Spirit as Jesus has said, not Prophet Muhamad like you want me to think !. Sorry lah Pak Yeh, I don't buy your story !.)


Salam,

hey, before I forget where is your testimony site ?.

jc

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh,

Something for your reading pleasure:

The Story of M A Gabriel
The former professor of Islamic history at Al-Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt

http://www.arabicbible.com/testimonies/gabriel.htm

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymous jc.
I understand what you are saying.
The spirit of Truth is a spirit and you and me and others cannot see spirits. But the spirit can enter any human body.
The spirit Jesus is talking about is the good true spirit that is universal. So this spirit can enter prophet Muhammad,Mr Sun Myang Moon,KarlMarx,Ghandi, you and me or whoever.

Again my evidence is John 14:16 and 16:7. Jesus says it shall be another person other than him, therefore it is not himself(Jesus).The other verses you quote does not refute these two verses...that the Conforter/Helper is someone other than Jesus himself.

The Holy Spirit can always enter someone else other than Jesus. That is what Jesus meant. Therefore the second coming of Jesus is denied by Jesus himself.So if Jesus is not coming again as he said,and Jesus said somebody else is coming with a message from God via the holy spirit/angel, who could he be ??? Besides Muhammad who else claimed they were given Gods message via the holy spirit/angel???

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh,

Like I have said, you will always defend your believe and I mine, though I quoted about the Holy Spirit coming during pentacost, you still doubt.

See what I mean ?.

So let us agree to disagree and let each be unto his own belief.

salam

jc

pak yeh said...

Dear jc,
You have not defended your religion.You cannot answer my questions. Now you will do what Christian who debate with Muslims do. You will run away without having defending your own Bibble.

The Question you have not answered is who is the Comforter/Helper who Jesus says is coming after him ???

The problem with gospels is it has so many translations by so many deciples that they cannot agree with each other. On top of it the real Aramic gospels is missing or burned.
The Gospel of Banabas one of the deciples of Jesus is proof that the word Comforter is Machmat or "the praised one" in Hebrew.
My contention is ...How can a name be translated ???
Why have you translated Yeshau to Jesus and same goes for other names such as Joseph, John,Jonah etc,etc.
This again is proof that the Bibble is corrupted by its translation.

You are not off the hook yet. Dont go to penticostal or whatever. just concentrate on the verses John 14:16,16:7 and subsequent verses on that very page.
You are not able to disproof that Jesus have predicted another prophet who recieves his message from the spirit of Truth, as said by Jesus in John 14:16,16:7,16:13 etc,etc.
Therefore Jesus had predicted another prophet called the Comforter/the Helper/the Sprit of Truth and hence Jesus had denied that there is a second comming of Christ.
So if you belief in the Bibble you should be looking for another prophet called Machmet the Hebrew/Aramaic for the Comforter/Helper.

Face it jc. you are debating with a gospel that translate names. How can names be translated ??? This translation of names is the work of a connman. Satan,s job is to conn people.

Anonymous said...

Dear jc,
You have not defended your religion.You cannot answer my questions.

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LOL, Pak Yeh, I believe by faith and many have done so and see the wonders of God working through the Comforter who is the Holy Spirit but obviously you cannot understand for God has not allowed to be so.

So, be it, Let God's will be done.

I do not have to prove anything to you. Neither does my God need defending by puny human.

That's why those who chose to disbelieve and leave, is allowed to do so without the threat of harm or death. The person will have to answer for it on judgement day.

Jesus only ask us to preach the good news, The Gospel of His.

Jesus said "Luke 10 :16"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

Jesus has said " My kingdom is not of this world. "

John 18: 36Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

37"You are a king, then!" said Pilate.
Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
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Pak Yeh:The Question you have not answered is who is the Comforter/Helper who Jesus says is coming after him ???

(some version use the term Counsellor others use Comforter)

(KIng James Version)

John 14: 25 "These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

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ACT 1:6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
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Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh:Therefore Jesus had predicted another prophet called the Comforter/the Helper/the Sprit of Truth and hence Jesus had denied that there is a second comming of Christ.

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11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

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Acct 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

12And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

13Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

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Pak Yeh, if with the above quotations from the Bible you still cannot understand who the Comforter is, then I am afraid it is God's will that you cannot understand all these.

Even in Jesus' time the learned ones could not fathom who Jesus is.

Salam

jc

Anonymous said...

hence Jesus had denied that there is a second comming of Christ.

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Matthew 24:24

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25Behold, I have told you before.

26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

salam

jc

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh,

Please read below:

25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

(Pak YEh, Thomas ' doubts)

26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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Pak Yeh, I have not put my hands into Jesus' wounds, but I believe.


jc

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymouse jc,
jc said : Pak Yeh. I have not put my hands into Jesus' wounds, but I believe.

You say it as if that is a good thing. Don't you know that it is blind faith.The equevalent is that you are like a cow that is led by a rope by a string led by your priest.It also equivalent to believing that God is weak and can be killed by Romans. Which is also equivalent to saying that Romans are stronger than God.The Gospel is like History supposedly written by Jesus' deciples, but in Latin. It is a sign that the history has been rewritten by Latin people to include illogic in it.

As for the refutation that the Conforted is some other guy besides Jesus. You still have no proof/evidence.
What you did was put another version of the Gospel or another translation. If the original Aramic version is unavailable, it just shows that the Gospel has been tampered with.One gospel will contradict another and truth cannot be verified without a standard Gospel.

pak yeh said...

De,
You have again not answered why the names originally in Aramic was changed to Latin ??? Why change names unless you want to change the meaning ???
What was the original name of the Comforter in Aramic ??? Could it be Mekhmet ???
You cahanged mekhmet to the comforter ??? You want to live a lie ???
Come on brig out your Aramic gospel if you are saying the truth.
Never mind ,I am sore you dont have an aramic Bibble. So nobody will know the truth about jesus prediction about Muhammad. Thats the real teason Christianity was taught in latin, right.Latin people wants to monopolise and manipulate the religion.

Anonymous said...

What was the original name of the Comforter in Aramic ??? Could it be Mekhmet ???

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LOL.Pak Yeh , just like I thought.

In your mind you can never accept the fact that your Prophet is not the Comforter.

It is so clearly stated that the Coomforter is the Holy Spirit. But you , of course can never accept it otherwise, how can you remain a Muslim ?.

No worries lah, keep to your belief , I am not trying to ask you to change. Just answering your questions that's all.

If you are still not satisfied, just leave it be and concentrate on being a good muslim that's all.

On Judgement Day we will find out who is right and who is wrong ,ok ?.

Our walk with God is personal.

Salam,

jc

pak yeh said...

Dear jc,
I take it that you don't have an Aramic Gospel and that's why you cannot tell me what the original name of the Comforter.
Why did the priests' change the Aramic name Mekhmat to the Comforter ???
Of course its to hide the real truth.Names are not the only changes made.Many other changes were made so as the real one God religion of Jesus is changed to the false three God religion of the Nicean Creeds' Greek/Platonic three Gods.

I shall explain the real meaning of trinity and how it was misunderstood,in my next posting.

Anonymous said...

There is only one way Pak Yeh can find out whether Christianity is for real. He may try it if he really wants to know Christianity is true. Pak Yeh, go to a church when there is no service, sit down quietly at the front, make sure no one would be bothering you. Close your eyes, bring both your hands together, bow your head and ask these questions with a soft voice "Jesus are you God?, please let me know for I want to know the truth!" Ask three times. I know that Pak Yeh will surely find an answer, and whether he has honestly tried this method, only he can know. I guarantee it, but he must do it with an open heart like a person desiring the truth, not with prejudices. Until then, I think all you Christians are wasting your time debating with him. Jesus said leave the houses where the people reject you and shake the dust off your shoes!

vicky voo said...

Pak Yeh,

Even if you are right, what of it?

And what is your point? To win your so-called "Mehmet" proof?

And let's assume that your God is the real true genuine "God", what of it?

At least 50% of the world are not convinced (assuming the other half are Muslims).

And a further percentage of Muslims also don't agree with each other.

So ... are they cows too, being led by their "head priest"?

Even Christians are "divided" by so many denominations. Mainly, there are Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox. And within the Protestant, countless denominations.

And the "trinity" is believed with "minor" differences. Just google it.

So, like jc says: just stick to yr belief and live it the best your God wants you to.

Peace be with you.

Amen.

vicky voo said...

Pak Yeh, you said: My method of undestanding... In order not to be biased in my judgement, I have studied all religions and I find that Satan has corrupted all religions, including the Muslim religion.The real Quran Islam has been replaced by the Hadis Islam. Similiarly the real Christianity(One God) ...

From the above wise words, you MUST be the most wise prophet? So, you are the ONLY one who can discern which religion Satan has corrupted?

So which brand/branch of the many Muslim sects do you highly recommend?

Thanking you in advance...

v v

pak yeh said...

Dear Vicky Voo,
Thanks very much for the respond.

Vicky Voo said:
Pak Yeh, you said: My method of undestanding... In order not to be biased in my judgement, I have studied all religions and I find that Satan has corrupted all religions, including the Muslim religion.The real Quran Islam has been replaced by the Hadis Islam. Similiarly the real Christianity(One God) ...
From the above wise words, you MUST be the most wise prophet? So, you are the ONLY one who can discern which religion Satan has corrupted?
So which brand/branch of the many Muslim sects do you highly recommend?

Pak Yeh says:
I do not recommend any sect in religion.I wish there is an undestanding and unity among all religions that we should worship the One God/the macro God.