Sunday, June 21, 2009

Muhammad predicted in the Bible.

To all my Christian brothers and sisters,I would like to say that we are all Islam in religion,the religion of One God of Abraham. But the one God concept was corrupted by the trinity which was taught by Paul of Tarsus and the Greek and Latin priest(the Nicean Creed) and the first Christian Roman Emperor, Constantine.Christian Priest monopolized God with the dogma of trinity,inherited sin,one and only redemption/forgiveness of sin through the priest and through Jesus.You have to adopt an intermediary between you and God,otherwise you will go to hell. This makes it a monopoly of God by the priests,which is a political manoeuvre rather than truth.

However Jesus preached otherwise.In fact,Jesus predicted the coming of another prophet in John 14:16 and John 16:7/8.
God too predicted "The prophet" from the lineage of Abraham's other son, Ismael, in Deuteronomy 18:18.
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47 comments:

vicky voo said...

so... you have 110% proven that Muhammad is the last prophet... so is the one God the same God worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews?

Or is he 3 different Gods?

Let's say all the 3 religions accept your argument-proof, what are they to do next?

Convert to Islam?

We need your advise, since yours is the last great religion to be born.

Thanking you in advance.

pak yeh said...

Vicky voo said :
so... you have 110% proven that Muhammad is the last prophet... so is the one God the same God worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews?
Or is he 3 differenr Gods?

Pak Yeh says:
The One God of the Jews,Christians and the Muslims,Hindus,Bhuddist,etc was one and the same.It is satans role to associate the "One/Macro God" with other "many/micro gods".
Pls read my article "The History and Evolution of One God"

Vicky voo said :
Let's say all the 3 religions accept your argument-proof, what are they to do next?
Convert to Islam?
We need your advise, since yours is the last great religion to be born.

Pak Yeh says :
Please understand the message of Jesus in John 14:16,16:7,and Deuteronomy 18:18 and the Puranas. Accepting the prophet Muhammads message from God(the Quran) is an option."There is no compulsion in religion"...AlQuran 2:256.

Vicky Voo said :
We need your advise, since yours is the last great religion to be born.

Pak Yeh says :
Why do you say it is my religion.All religion originally is Islam because the prophets all preached Islam.The religion Islam belongs to God. I do not own any religion.I just relay what the Quran and the other Scriptures say The prophet Muhammad said the same too.He said he was a messenger,one who relays messages from God.Please read the message
in the Quran.

Love,Peace.

mohd ali said...

Vicky Voo, i hope that avatar is you.But I've looked up the biblical verse but it does not makes sense to me that the helper is Muhammad. I shall paste it here, lets not be haste in passing our judgement guys.
John 16:7-8 (English Standard Version)

Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away,the Helper will not come to you. But if I go,I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:

In this verse, Muhammad was never referred to as the Helper, Secondly who does he help? An aid to Jesus because it seems that Jesus himself would send him(assuming it is Muhammad).Last but not least, Muhammad was not seen convicting the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment. he was seen spreading his words among the Arabs.

The other verse which is
John 14:16

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper,to be with you forever,

but Muhammad did die, and he was not seen with us forever, and here again the word helper appear.

Shall you explain this o great pak yeh

pak yeh said...

Mohd Ali said:
In this verse, Muhammad was never referred to as the Helper, Secondly who does he help? An aid to Jesus because it seems that Jesus himself would send him(assuming it is Muhammad).Last but not least, Muhammad was not seen convicting the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment. he was seen spreading his words among the Arabs.

Pak Yeh says :
The Gospel that predicted Muhammad as the helper/comforter is the Gospel of Banabas.He was one of the deciples of Jesus. How come the other Gospels are not from Jesus' deciples???All originals should at least be the writtings of deciples. In this Gospel the word Comforter or Helper which is devilishly translated from the name Achmed in Aramaic.
I ask you Christians,.. What is the reason for changing of/ translating names???...except for falsifing the truth!!! Your Bible espacially the Gospels are translations that cannot be verified by original manuscripts. As such someone,the Pope or the Nicean Creed has deviated the truth by changing the name Achmet to the Comforter/Helper/Advocate/Solicitor and what not so that the real message of Jesus about another prophet is hidden,omitted and falsified.

Please do some research and get the original name of the Comforter/helper/Advocate/solicitor and whatnot translation of names. Names should never be translated or changed.Only devils do this to falsify Gods message. And Christians are very devious in changing names.They want to change their Gods name to Allah but the original Aramic name of their God was Yarweh. On top of that they blaspheme Allah by saying He has a son and a Holy Spirit that is equal to Him. See how devious Christians are,They blaspeme Allah the Muslim God too.
Stop this mischief, oh Christians. You will definitely go to Hell for blaspheming Allah.

There is only one God and He does not share it with Jesus or any other man,or spirit.
Christians! Stop this Trinity blaspemy of God please !!!

mohd ali said...

Thank you Pak Yeh, but your reasoning behind the name "Helper" is not satisfactory.

I for one have the Barnabas copy but do not see the verse with the name Achmed as you said.Please tell me you have the Barnabas copy and hopefully you can post it here.

After reading Barnabas, its clear to see that it has Arabic work on it. Meaning, the bible has been tampered by an Arab tongue author.

Futhermore, you did mentioned Barnabas as being one of Jesus disciple? Well i fail to see the direct connection to Jesus as Jesus disciples are
Simon and his brother Andrew(they were the first disciples Jesus chose). Next Jesus called James and John, then Philip, Nathaniel (also called Bartholomew), Matthew, Thomas, and James, son of Alpheus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas, son of James, and Judas Iscariot. To add more information for reference to our discussion,it is best to know also that According to the Gospel of John, Andrew and one other of the disciples had first been disciples of John the Baptist.

The disciples were more interested in telling Jesus' story than in telling their own, but we do know a few things about some of them.

Jesus nicknamed Simon Peter, and the nickname stuck.

Peter, Andrew, James and John were commercial fishermen. They (or their families) owned their own boats. James and John were the sons of Zebedee, and this John may be the person who wrote the Fourth Gospel, the Gospel of John.

Andrew and Philip have Greek names and spoke Greek to the travelers who came from Greece to hear Jesus preach. They may have had Greek relatives or Greek or Roman educations.

Matthew had been a tax collector, a disrespected way of earning a living in those days. Tax collectors were not allowed to testify in court, because everyone believed they were totally dishonest.

Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot may have been political activists, belonging to some of the many groups that wanted to overthrow the Roman government. The Jews at that time wanted very much to have a Jewish king and Jewish courts that understood their beliefs and the way they observed the religious laws.

We only know Thomas's nickname: both Thomas in Aramaic and Didymus in Greek mean twin. He may have had an actual twin brother - or he may have looked so much like Jesus that everyone joked that he was Jesus' twin brother.

What we know for sure about all the disciples is that they all left their livelihoods and commitments to follow Jesus as he traveled around the country, preaching, teaching, and healing.

Since there is only you and me here,please furbish me with more information in supporting your claim.

Awaiting your reply, Pak Yeh.

pak yeh said...

Thank you for the response Mohd Ali:
Iwill get back to you on the Gospel of Banabas.In the mean time lets debate the real issue,that is the prediction of the prophet Mohamad by Jesus in John !4:16 and John 16:7/8 and Deutoromy 18:18.
Please begin by 1)contrasting my interpretation that Jesus predicted another person/prophet(never mind who he is)in the verses of John14:16 and John 16;7/8.
2) Try contradicting my interpretation that the verse refers to a prophet of the lineage Ishmael(the brother of Jacob,Abrahams other son),the Arabs.

pak yeh said...

As for proof of Barnabas as deciple of Jesus,I am suprised you dont know it.Go watch the movie/VCD The Bible Jesus.

Mohd Ali said:
but Muhammad did die, and he was not seen with us forever, and here again the word helper appear.

Pak Yeh says:
Ha,ha,ha. thats a good one.Tell me who will be forever???Jesus???He is dead too!!!And Jesus has not been seen for 2009 years now.
The context of "forever" is that the message Muhammad brought will be forever.

pak yeh said...

Dear Muhammad Ali,
We are trying to understand a Gospel that changes names and makes major changes to the Bible 5 times by the Vatican and other priests. It would help alot if there are Gospels in Aramaic the language of Jesus.othewise the Gospel will be seen as a Latin/Roman intepretation that is non conclusive and non varifiable as a book of God.

Any way just try proof to me that the Comforter/Helper is not Jesus himself.
If you agree it is another person than go to Deutoromy 18:18 and try to proof that God did not promise anothe prophet from the Arabs(the lineage of Ishmael,Abrahams other son.)

Anonymous said...

Anachronisms

Some readers have noted that the Gospel of Barnabas contains a number of apparent anachronisms and historical incongruities [53]:

* It has Jesus sailing across the Sea of Galilee to Nazareth - which is actually inland; and from thence going "up" to Capernaum - which is actually on the lakeside (chapters 20-21); though this is contested by Blackhirst, who says that the traditional location of Nazareth is itself questionable).

* Jesus is said to have been born during the rule of Pontius Pilate, which began after the year 26.

* Barnabas appears not to realize that 'Christ' and 'Messiah' are translations of the same word (christos), describing Jesus as "Jesus Christ" yet claiming that 'Jesus confessed and said the truth, "I am not the Messiah"' (ch. 42).

* There is reference to a jubilee which is to be held every hundred years (Chapter 82), rather than every fifty years as described in Leviticus: 25. This anachronism appears to link the Gospel of Barnabas to the declaration of a Holy Year in 1300 by Pope Boniface VIII; a Jubilee which he then decreed should be repeated every hundred years. In 1343 the interval between Holy Years was reduced by Pope Clement VI to fifty years[54] .

* Adam and Eve eat an apple (ch. 40); whereas the traditional association of the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (Genesis: 2) with the apple, rests on the translation of the Hebrew Bible into Latin, where both 'apple' and 'evil' are rendered as 'malum'.

* The Gospel talks of wine being stored in wooden casks - as characteristic of Gaul and Northern Italy (chapter 152); whereas wine in 1st century Palestine was stored in wineskins and jars (Amphorae). The Pedunculate or English Oak (quercus robur) does not grow in Palestine; and the wood of other species is not sufficiently airtight to be used in wine casks[55] ,

* In Chapter 91, the "Forty Days" is referred to as an annual fast[56] . This corresponds to the Christian tradition of fasting for forty days in Lent; a practice that is not witnessed earlier than the Council of Nicaea (325). Nor is there a forty days fast in Judaism of the period (see Mishnah, Tractate: Taanith "Days of Fasting")

* Where the Gospel of Barnabas includes quotations from the Old Testament, these correspond to readings as found in the Latin Vulgate[57] ; rather than as found in either the Greek Septuagint, or the Hebrew Masoretic Text. However, it should be noted that the Latin Vulgate translation was a work that St. Jerome began in 382 AD, centuries after the death of Barnabas.

* Ch. 91 records three contending Jewish armies 200,000 strong at Mizpeh, totalling 600,000 men, at a time when the Roman army across the entire Empire had a total strength estimated as 300,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

Anonymous said...

i ask you cristians what is
THE KEYS OF KINGDOM OF HEAVEN'?

pak yeh said...

Anonymouse said :

i ask you cristians what is
THE KEYS OF KINGDOM OF HEAVEN'?

The Bible Old Testament says :
THE KEYS OF KINGDOM OF HEAVEN'? is Isaiah 10,11,12 "I am the only God.There is no God befor Me and no God after Me. I AM THE ONLY SAVIOR."

Comprande ! I do hope you belirf in your Bible. If you contradict God by saying that He is not the only God and that Jesus is another Savior besides God, then you have sinned by blaspheming God and is not a Christian but an infidel and a polytheist..

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh, do you mean One God means God can not become to another "form" ? example : God become Man but still one God. Pak Yeh, In God or Allah there is no such thing called "can not" because God is Omnipotent, right ?
(Al–Buruj: 13-16)
"Lo! He it is Who produceth, then reproduceth,
And He is the Forgiving, the Loving,
Lord of the Throne of Glory,
Doer of what He will."

Pak Yeh, pls enlighten us on (Al-An am 6:9)
"And if We had made him an angel, We would have made him [appear as] a man, and We would have covered them with that in which they cover themselves."

Thank You.

pak yeh said...

Anonyous said:
Pak Yeh, do you mean One God means God can not become to another "form" ? example : God become Man but still one God.

Can God become man.??? That is impossible.!!!
Can a Creator become a creation.???
Can a robot become a man.!!!

Anonyous said:
Pak Yeh, In God or Allah there is no such thing called "can not" because God is Omnipotent, right ?

Wrong. A Creator cannot become a creation. If the Creator is a creation,then he is not God.
Can a man becoe a robot.???

Anonymous said :
Pak Yeh, pls enlighten us on (Al-An am 6:9)
"And if We had made him an angel, We would have made him [appear as] a man, and We would have covered them with that in which they cover themselves."

What is it you try to infer.???
That God appeared as Jesus.???
An angel can appear as a man,only with Gods permission.
You can say God appeared as Jesus, but that does not make Jesus a god.!!! It still means that God created Jesus in the image of himself,just like He created man in his own image. An image is not the real thing.Jesus is a image of god,that is created by god.!!!
A created image(Jesus)cannot be the creator(God).!!!


It still doesnot ake Jesus a god.

Anonymous said...

Pak yeh, when you said "A Creator cannot become a creation. If the Creator is a creation,then he is not God.Can a man becoe a robot.???"
is wrong, there is nothing for the Omnipotent God can not do. Only human has the limitation not an Omnipotent God, unless you belief an Omnipotent God but still has some limitation.

Creator (which is is referring to Omnipotent God) can become creation by his permission (or his willing), only human logic problem not God's logic (human logic also God's creation).

Why man can not become robot ? . Today we have many robot organ inside human body, just search around and you will find many. Human can do this why not God, it is our mind that limit God's capability ?!

pak yet said:
You can say God appeared as Jesus, but that does not make Jesus a god.!!! It still means that God created Jesus in the image of himself,just like He created man in his own image. An image is not the real thing.Jesus is a image of god,that is created by god.!!!
A created image(Jesus)cannot be the creator(God).!!!

I do not understand why you make "God appeared as Jesus" same as "created Jesus in God's image" ? I appeared as someone same as I create someone in my image ?

John 1:17-18 (NIV)
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Hukum Tuhan kita terima melalui Musa. Tetapi kasih dan kesetiaan Allah dinyatakan melalui Isa Al-Masih. Tak ada yang pernah melihat Allah, selain anak tunggal Bapa, yang sama dengan Bapa dan erat sekali kepada-Nya. Dialah yang menyatakan Bapa kepada kita.

pak yeh said...

Anonymouse said :
Creator cannot become a creation. If the Creator is a creation,then he is not God.Can a man becoe a robot.???"
is wrong, there is nothing for the Omnipotent God can not do. Only human has the limitation not an Omnipotent God, unless you belief an Omnipotent God but still has some limitation.

Pak Yehs reply :
It appears that you do not know whatis Omnipotent.
If god was a creation,meaning he was created by a creator then he cannot be God, because only god can be the creator.Omnipotent doesnot include being created by somebody.
As for man becoming robot, that is not true. It is a science fiction.

Anonymouse said :
John 1:17-18 (NIV)
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Pak Yehs reply:
There are many other Bible verses whhere Jesus said he was not god.
Examples:
"Do not say I am good. Only God is good."
I cured the sick,give life to the dead only by god's will".
And many more verses.
Bearing the contradictions in the Bible especially when god said,Isaiah 45,verse 10,11,12 "I am the only god. There is no god before me and no god after me."
wouldnt you say that trinity contradicts god's own words.???
Trinity it self does not exist. If you use the verse "The word, god and the holy spirit is one," It does not say so. What it say is that the word, meaning the message is the word of the holy spirit and god.It just means that god spoke through the holy spirit and Jesus, like god spoke through Gabriel through Muhammad. Trinity in words is not trinity in god.

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymouse.
The word Omnipotent does not include being a creation, because if you are a creation, the you are no more omnipotent, because you have to do whatever your creator made you to do.

Thw word omipotant too cannot include the word "die" like Jesus/god died on the cross.
So if Jesus died on the cross, it is a sign that he is not god, because god is immortal ie the do not die.

Anonymous said...

Dear Pak Yeh,

How nice to read your reply.
Pak Yehs said:
There are many other Bible verses where Jesus said he was not god.
Examples:
"Do not say I am good. Only God is good."
I cured the sick,give life to the dead only by god's will".
And many more verses.

You quote is from Mark 10:18 about Only God is good.
Whole paragraph, Mark 10:17-22 (in summary). A man knelt before Jesus and ask "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? and Jesus said to him "Why do you call me good ? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments. Do not murder. do not commit adultery...." The man reply "Teacher, all these I have kept from my youth". Jesus said "You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come follow me."

When Jesus ask back the man "why call me good, No one is good except God alone", is asking for the man to think. Jesus never denial he is not good. The final request for them man is follow him (not just follow what he said or his teaching, and follow him) . If Jesus no good why ask the man to follow him in order to inherit eternal life ?

May be Pak Yeh explain on Maryam Surah 19:19 (the angel reply to Maryam)
He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

Another translation:
He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

Isa al-Masih is a faultless son of Maryam.

(Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p. 54).
The Prophet said, 'No child is born but that, Satan touches it when it is born whereupon it starts crying loudly because of being touched by Satan, except Mary and her son'. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p. 54).
Mohammad (pbuh)said all being touched by Satan, except Mary and her son.

Concerning "I cured the sick,give life to the dead only by god's will." May be please show where this in Injil ? so to find out more info.. Thanks :)

Pak Yeh said about "f you agree it is another person than go to Deuteronomy 18:18 and try to proof that God did not promise another prophet from the Arabs(the lineage of Ishmael,Abrahams other son.)"

What Pak Yeh refer is Deuteronomy 18:18
"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers (their brethren); I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."

Pak Yeh "among their brothers or their brethren" is referring to Arabs, right ?

The true meaning of their brothers (their brethren) can be understanding clearing on Deuteronomy 17:14-15.
When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you and have taken possession of it and settled in it, and you say, "Let us set a king over us like all the nations around us," be sure to appoint over you the king the LORD your God chooses. He must be from among your own brothers (brethren). Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not a brother Israelite. "

The brothers or brethren stated clearly are Israelite, not a foreigner. So the prophet like Musa is an Israelite not Arabs.

pak yeh said...

Anonymouse said :
When Jesus ask back the man "why call me good, No one is good except God alone", is asking for the man to think. Jesus never denial he is not good. The final request for them man is follow him (not just follow what he said or his teaching, and follow him) . If Jesus no good why ask the man to follow him in order to inherit eternal life ?

Pak Yeh's reply:
Got you there. Jesus did say he is not good, or at least not all good as god is. Hence Jesus denied he is sinless, if good is sinless.Boom.!!! Hence 1)The dogma of Jesus is sinless is blasted/debunked by Jesus himself.
Hence 2) the dogma of Jesus is God(good) is also debunked by Jesus himself.

Anonymouse said:
May be Pak Yeh explain on Maryam Surah 19:19 (the angel reply to Maryam)
He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

Pak Yehs reply :
What is there to explain.? Jesus said he is only a messenger of god and Mariam's holy son.The is no word for faultless.You have mistranslated it. Even so ever newborn Muslim is considered faultless/sinless. Only when he breaks the comandments like Adam did will he be sinful.
As for the Sahih Bukhari/Muslim, I do not belief in it.It is a corrupted Ulamas book.it is not the book of god and cannot be used in this debate.

Anonemouse said :

What Pak Yeh refer is Deuteronomy 18:18
"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers (their brethren); I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."

Pak Yeh "among their brothers or their brethren" is referring to Arabs, right ?

The true meaning of their brothers (their brethren) can be understanding clearing on Deuteronomy 17:14-15.
When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you and have taken possession of it and settled in it, and you say, "Let us set a king over us like all the nations around us," be sure to appoint over you the king the LORD your God chooses. He must be from among your own brothers (brethren). Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not a brother Israelite. "

Pak Yehs reply:
Deutoronomy 18 and Deuteronomy 17 are totallay different verses that talk about different things.You have not explained/proved anything.The brother of the Isrealites/Jacobites are the Ishmaelites. That is the real meaning of Deuteronomy 18:18.

pak yeh said...

Anonymous said...
Dear Pak Yeh,
Pak Yeh said :
Thw word omipotant too cannot include the word "die" like Jesus/god died on the cross.
So if Jesus died on the cross, it is a sign that he is not god, because god is immortal ie the do not die.

You are right is certain sense, let see what Injil said.
John 5:21
"For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it."

Isa al-Masih has the power of gives life as what God does.

But why he died ?
John 10:18
Isa al-Masih said :
"No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded."

No on can take Isa's life because he sacrifices it voluntarily.

Why he do that ?

John 10:11

"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep."

What Isa al-Masih's disciple Peter said to Israelite in Acts 3:14-15
You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this.".

Isa al-Masih is Author of Life and Peter has witnesses of this. Who will be Author of Life ? Is prophet has this authority? Only God is the author of life.

Sun Feb 26, 11:39:00 PM MYT

Pak Yehs reply :
You have agreed thatthe word Omnipotent cannot include the woud die. So Jesus is not Omnipotantlike God if he has to die.Hence Jesus is not god because he is not Omnipotent.
Agreed.???
Other verses which are not gods words are but mans words that contradicts gods words,just like the hadis.
Reminding you again... When God said "I am the only God. There in no god before me and no god after me" Isaiah 45 verse 10,11,12, you cannot contradict gods words with mans words. Mans words are no equal to gods words.

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymouse,
The Bible verses that prove Jesus is not god and can do nothing without god is as follows...
1)Acts 2:22 "Oh Israel.Listen to this.Jesus of Nazareth,a man approved amongst you,by wonders of miracles and science, which God did by him. And you witness by it."
2)John 5:30 "I can myself do nothing.As I hear I judge.And my judgment is just.For I seek not my will but the will of the Father."
3)Luke 11:20 "I with the finger of God,cast out the devil."
3)Mathew 12:28 "I cast out the devil with the spirit of God."
4)John 10:29 "My Father is greater than all."
5)John 14:28 "My Father is greater than I."
Note Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life" does not mean he is god(that is quoting out of context), but that he in the representative of god, just like all the other prophets were representatives of god.All other prophets have said that they are the way the truth and the life including prophet Mohammad in one way orother.

pak yeh said...

Anonymouse said:
What Isa al-Masih's disciple Peter said to Israelite in Acts 3:14-15
You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this.".
Isa al-Masih is Author of Life and Peter has witnesses of this. Who will be Author of Life ? Is prophet has this authority? Only God is the author of life.

Pak Yehs reply:
You cannot take the word of man (Peter)as truth.It looked like Jesus is author of life because he gave life to the dead,but in reality it was god who did it through Jesus. God just lend his powers to Jesus.Jesus admited this fact.
Proofs...
1)Acts 2:22 "Oh Israel.Listen to this.Jesus of Nazareth,a man approved amongst you,by wonders of miracles and science, which God did by him. And you witness by it."
2)John 5:30 "I can myself do nothing.As I hear I judge.And my judgment is just.For I seek not my will but the will of the Father."
3)Luke 11:20 "I with the finger of God,cast out the devil."
3)Mathew 12:28 "I cast out the devil with the spirit of God."
4)John 10:29 "My Father is greater than all."
5)John 14:28 "My Father is greater than I."

Anonymous said...

Dear Pak Yehs,
Pak Yehs reply:
Deuteronomy 18 and Deuteronomy 17 are totally different verses that talk about different things.You have not explained/proved anything. The brother of the Isrealites/Jacobites are the Ishmaelite. That is the real meaning of Deuteronomy 18:18.
I am bit confuse on this reply, especially on how to make myself clearer to you. When I read your latest reply (Mon Feb 27, 08:02:00) about “… doesnot mean he is god (that is quoting out of context)”.Ha, actually you know. Each book of Taurat, Injil are interrelated. When you interpreted the meaning of brother/Brethren, the best reference will be the same book (this rule importance for quoting in context else it will quoting as out of context). So when we refer to Deuteronomy 17 it is clearly stated Brother/Brethren is referring toas Israelites because Israelites has 12 tribes. If you insist that brother/brethren in Deuteronomy 18:18 is referring as Ishmaelite than you need to find a supporting verses in this book.

Isa al-Masih is good
Pak Yeh's reply:
Got you there. Jesus did say he is not good, or at least not all good as god is. Hence Jesus denied he is sinless, if good is sinless.Boom.!!! Hence 1)The dogma of Jesus is sinless is blasted/debunked by Jesus himself.
Hence 2) the dogma of Jesus is God(good) is also debunked by Jesus himself.

In my reply I said “Isa al-Masih is asking for the man to think. Jesus never denial he is not good”. But how you can come to the above conclusion (debunked)?
Isa al-Masih is Faultless
Pak Yehs said :
What is there to explain.? Jesus said he is only a messenger of god and Mariam's holy son.The is no word for faultless.You have mistranslated it. Even so ever newborn Muslim is considered faultless/sinless. Only when he breaks the comandments like Adam did will he be sinful.
As for the Sahih Bukhari/Muslim, I do not belief in it. It is a corrupted Ulamas book.it is not the book of god and cannot be used in this debate.
I re-paste again the Quran verse about Isa al-Masih is faultless for you to get the word “faultless”, Quran Surah 19:19
He (angle) said (to Maryam): I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
Please show me where do you find in Quran (since Sahih Bukhari/Muslim for you is corrupted Ulamas, which is very surprise to me) where did find this statement “so ever newborn Muslim is considered faultless/sinless” for every newborn to prove your statement, else Quran has declare holy son or faultless son only to Isa al-Masih.

God can not die ?
I already shown you the quotes from Injil, to show that God has God’s logic on this topic, not as simple logic that we use to be… 
John 10:17-18
Isa al-Masih : Bapa mengasihi Aku, oleh karena Aku memberikan nyawa-Ku untuk menerimanya kembali.Tidak seorangpun mengambilnya dari pada-Ku, melainkan Aku memberikannya menurut kehendak-Ku sendiri. Aku berkuasa memberikannya dan berkuasa mengambilnya kembali. Inilah tugas yang Kuterima dari Bapa-Ku.

Just one question to Pak Yehs (for me to align) before continue to answer the rest of the questions, when you said “..But the one God concept was corrupted by the trinity which was taught by Paul of Tarsus..” which Trinity do you mean ? What Trinity actual said (based on what you know).

pak yeh said...

Anonymouse said:
So when we refer to Deuteronomy 17 it is clearly stated Brother/Brethren is referring toas Israelites because Israelites has 12 tribes. If you insist that brother/brethren in Deuteronomy 18:18 is referring as Ishmaelite than you need to find a supporting verses in this book.

Oh my you are certainly confused.
That Deutoronomy 17 has no connection with Deutoronomy 18;18. I agree taht Deutoronomy 17: refers to bretherens of Jacobites.
But in Deutoronoy 18:18 God was speaking to the Jacobite tribe of Mosses that included all 12 tribes.

Okay this is the supporting verse you ask for...Genesis 17:20 "And as for Ishmael,I have heard him.Behold I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly.12 princesses shall he beget and I will make him a great nation."
This verse is proof the the brethen stated in Deutoronomy is the brethren of Jacobites,that is the Ismaelites.
Historical proof.? Muhamad did say he is the Ishmaelite prophet and the Ismaelites(Arabs) were made a great/greatest nation during that period. Gods prediction about Ishmaelites and a prophet among them did came true.
Would you dare contradict god by saying otherwise.???

Anonymouse said :
God can not die ?
I already shown you the quotes from Injil, to show that God has God’s logic on this topic, not as simple logic that we use to be

Pak Yehs reply:
Are you saying that gods logic is illogic.???
God the immortal/omnipotant does not die.!!!
If you say otherwise, then you are being illogic. Do not ever say that god uses a different logic than us, as this is blasphemy and an insult to god.!!!

Anonymouse said :
But the one God concept was corrupted by the trinity which was taught by Paul of Tarsus..” which Trinity do you mean ? What Trinity actual said (based on what you know).

Pak Yehs reply:
Its the same trinity you belief. First you Christians say you belief in 1 god. Then you say the the 1 god is 3 gods in one.
This means that you have made god 1/3 of His original self as he claimed tobe.Refer Isaiah 45 verse 10,11,12 "I am the only God. There is no god before me and there is no god after me."
So either God is telling a lie or you(christians) are telling a lie.??????

pak yeh said...

Anonymouse said:
So when we refer to Deuteronomy 17 it is clearly stated Brother/Brethren is referring toas Israelites because Israelites has 12 tribes. If you insist that brother/brethren in Deuteronomy 18:18 is referring as Ishmaelite than you need to find a supporting verses in this book.

Oh my you are certainly confused.
That Deutoronomy 17 has no connection with Deutoronomy 18;18. I agree taht Deutoronomy 17: refers to bretherens of Jacobites.
But in Deutoronoy 18:18 God was speaking to the Jacobite tribe of Mosses that included all 12 tribes.

Okay this is the supporting verse you ask for...Genesis 17:20 "And as for Ishmael,I have heard him.Behold I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly.12 princesses shall he beget and I will make him a great nation."
This verse is proof the the brethen stated in Deutoronomy is the brethren of Jacobites,that is the Ismaelites.
Historical proof.? Muhamad did say he is the Ishmaelite prophet and the Ismaelites(Arabs) were made a great/greatest nation during that period. Gods prediction about Ishmaelites and a prophet among them did came true.
Would you dare contradict god by saying otherwise.???

Anonymouse said :
God can not die ?
I already shown you the quotes from Injil, to show that God has God’s logic on this topic, not as simple logic that we use to be

Pak Yehs reply:
Are you saying that gods logic is illogic.???
God the immortal/omnipotant does not die.!!!
If you say otherwise, then you are being illogic. Do not ever say that god uses a different logic than us, as this is blasphemy and an insult to god.!!!

Anonymouse said :
But the one God concept was corrupted by the trinity which was taught by Paul of Tarsus..” which Trinity do you mean ? What Trinity actual said (based on what you know).

Pak Yehs reply:
Its the same trinity you belief. First you Christians say you belief in 1 god. Then you say the the 1 god is 3 gods in one.
This means that you have made god 1/3 of His original self as he claimed tobe.Refer Isaiah 45 verse 10,11,12 "I am the only God. There is no god before me and there is no god after me."
So either God is telling a lie or you(christians) are telling a lie.??????

Anonymous said...

Dear Pak Yeh:

pak yeh said...
The Bible verses that prove Jesus is not god and can do nothing without god is as follows...
1)Acts 2:22 "Oh Israel.Listen to this.Jesus of Nazareth,a man approved amongst you,by wonders of miracles and science, which God did by him. And you witness by it."
2)John 5:30 "I can myself do nothing.As I hear I judge.And my judgment is just.For I seek not my will but the will of the Father."
3)Luke 11:20 "I with the finger of God,cast out the devil."
3)Mathew 12:28 "I cast out the devil with the spirit of God."
4)John 10:29 "My Father is greater than all."
5)John 14:28 "My Father is greater than I."
Note Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life" does not mean he is god(that is quoting out of context), but that he in the representative of god, just like all the other prophets were representatives of god.All other prophets have said that they are the way the truth and the life including prophet Mohammad in one way orother.

Anonymous answer:
Please read the context of the Injil
1. Acts 2:22-36,
Acts 2:22-28
“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. David said about him:
“‘I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will rest in hope,
because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,
you will not let your holy one see decay.
You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.’

In Acts 2:25, Peter has quote the Psalms using the term “Lord” which is replacing the Psalms God’s almighty Name. Therefore, “ LORD” in Acts 2 context is equal to God. Please continue to read Acts 2:34-36

Acts 2:29-26
“Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”’ “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

Remember, the LORD in Acts context is equal to God. This above clearly stated Isa al-Masih ” whom you crucified, both LORD and Christ”!!

Anonymous said...

Dear Pak Yeh :

2. John 5:30 "I can myself do nothing. As I hear I judge. And my judgment is just. For I seek not my will but the will of the Father."

Please read the full context (John 5:19-30),
Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

Isa al-Masih can do what he sees his Father doing, because whatever father does the Son also does. How a prophet dare to say these ? Verse 29, “as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it “ For here very clearly stated that Isa al-Mash has very close relationship with God that he sees God gives life, he also gives life to whom he is pleased to give it”. Does any prophet (or Mohammad(pbuh)) ever said the same word “see Father does, and prophet gives life to whom he is pleased to give.” ?

3. Pak Yeh’s Quote : Luke 11:20 "I with the finger of God,cast out the devil."

Actual Luke 1:20
“But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”
Pak Yeh, why you miss this word “if” ?!

4. Pak Yeh quote : Mathew 12:28 "I cast out the devil with the spirit of God."
Actual Mathew 12:28
But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Again, Pak Yeh, again, why you miss out this word “if” ?!

Anonymous said...

Dear Pak Yeh:
Anonymouse said :
God can not die ?
I already shown you the quotes from Injil, to show that God has God’s logic on this topic, not as simple logic that we use to be

Pak Yehs reply:
Are you saying that gods logic is illogic.???
God the immortal/omnipotant does not die.!!!
If you say otherwise, then you are being illogic. Do not ever say that god uses a different logic than us, as this is blasphemy and an insult to god.!!!


Anonymous answer:
I said “God’s logic on this topic not as simple logic that we use to be” but your interpretation is “god logic is illogic??”. Are you trying to say God’s logic must follow/compliance to human’s (or your) logic else will be consider illogic?! You said “Do not ever say that god uses a different logic than us, as this is blasphemy and insult to God!!”, are you aware what you are trying to say ?! You statement is insulting to God !!
Apk Yeh said “God the immortal/omnipotant does not die.!!!”

Let again seems what is the God’s logic, (John 10:18)
Isa al-Masih said :
“Tidak seorang pun mengambil hidup-Ku dari pada-Ku. Aku memberikan hidup-Ku secara sukarela. Aku mempunyai hak untuk memberikan hidup-Ku. Dan Aku mempunyai hak untuk mengambilnya kembali. “
Imortal God has “hidup-Ku”, and no one can “mengambil hidup-Ku dari pada-Ku”,
Omnipotnt God “memberikan hidup-Ku secara sukarela, Aku mempunyai hak untuk memberikan hidup-Ku. Dan Aku mempunyai hak untuk mengambilnya kembali”. This shown HE CAN “memberikan hidp-Ku” (He died”) and HE CAN “mempunyai hak untuk mengambilnya kembali” (He raise from death, what was stated on Acts).

(Isaiah 55:8,9) explained about God’s logic vs human’s logic,

As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Quran is from Allah, as Creator of universe and humankind, He sure will stated similar statement in Quran… may be Pak Yeh can help me ? :)

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Anonymous said :
But the one God concept was corrupted by the trinity which was taught by Paul of Tarsus..” which Trinity do you mean ? What Trinity actual said (based on what you know).

Pak Yehs reply:
Its the same trinity you belief. First you Christians say you belief in 1 god. Then you say the the 1 god is 3 gods in one.
This means that you have made god 1/3 of His original self as he claimed tobe.Refer Isaiah 45 verse 10,11,12 "I am the only God. There is no god before me and there is no god after me."
So either God is telling a lie or you(christians) are telling a lie.??????

Anonymous Answer:
Pak Yeh said “you say the the 1 god is 3 gods in one.
This means that you have made god 1/3 of His original self as he claimed to be.”. may I know what logic is this ? If God is like us (physical body), you statement is correct, 1+1+1 =3, can not be 1 so god become 1/3 of His original self. But God is spirit (Ruh), we should use 1x1x1=1, what do you think? If God willing I will revisit this in more detail.
God never telling lie, He just want to say He love us so much that He willing to gives His life. This is an amazing love that we Christians have experience…

pak yeh said...

Dear anonymouse:
Replying to your comment on gods logic.
please do not say that Gods logic is different from our logic.He created us in his own image.So our logic is his logik and our illogik is his illogic.
1+1+1 = 3...this is logic.
1+1+1 = 1 (the trinity concept)..this is illogic.
1/3 + 1/3 )1/3 = 1 ...This is logic.So you trinity has made the Fathe 1/3 of his self(the one god).
Are you not belittling and blaspheming the one god of your Bible as stated in Isiah 45 verse 10,11,12. "I am the only god.There is no god before me and no god after me.And I am the only savior"
Come on where is your logic in believing in the trinity which contradicts god himself as in Isaiah 45 verse 10,11,12.

pak yeh said...

Anonymouse said "
Anonymous Answer:
Pak Yeh said “you say the the 1 god is 3 gods in one.
This means that you have made god 1/3 of His original self as he claimed to be.”. may I know what logic is this ? If God is like us (physical body), you statement is correct, 1+1+1 =3, can not be 1 so god become 1/3 of His original self. But God is spirit (Ruh), we should use 1x1x1=1, what do you think? If God willing I will revisit this in more detail.

Pak Yehs reply "
Aiiyaa. Dont you know that there are many spirits too.And God is not just spirit.He has a body too. There is a verse in the Quran and in the Bible which sayas that He(God) is the seen(body) and the unseen(spirit).God is the 1st body/material, out of which the planets were and its contents were created. There is no other material than god.
So your reasoning have been disproved again.
I can belief in all the logical things in the Bible. But the illogical is for the insane to believe in it.
The illogical elements/dogmas are nothing but falsehood concocted by your Pope and Priesthood to beguile and enslave the stupid.
"A falsehood repeated many times becomes a truth". This is the work of the Master Deceiver named Satan.!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Dear Pak Yeh (I saw this is missing, may be I forgot to post previously, let post it again),
5. John 10:29 "My Father is greater than all."

Lets read the full context (John 10:29-33),
My Father, who has given them to me,[a] is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”
For the above, it is clearly shown that when the Jews listen to what Isa al-Masih said, they picked up stones want to stone Isa al-Masih because “that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”. What Isa al-Masih said in the ears of Jew is making himself (Isa al-Masih) as God !!! instead of what you are trying to said “Isa is not God”

John 14:28 "My Father is greater than I."
From the above quote from what Isa al-Masih said, we know that “greater than I” does not disproof anything about the deity of Isa al-Masih. As simple logic, if today I said “PM Datuk Najid is greater than I”, does it mean PM is human, and I am not a human being ?!

Pak Yeh said “Note Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life" does not mean he is god(that is quoting out of context), but that he in the representative of god, just like all the other prophets were representatives of god. All other prophets have said that they are the way the truth and the life including prophet Mohammad in one way orother.”

Pak Yeh said “All other prophets have said that they are the way the truth and the life including prophet Mohammad in one way orother (another[added by me]).”, Please proof to me by quoting from Quran verses that all other prophets (you said all, I just need you to list 3 of them, Mohammad(pbuh), Dawud[David] and Musa [Moses]) have said that they are the way the truth and the life”.


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Anonymouse said:
So when we refer to Deuteronomy 17 it is clearly stated Brother/Brethren is referring to as Israelites because Israelites has 12 tribes. If you insist that brother/brethren in Deuteronomy 18:18 is referring as Ishmaelite than you need to find a supporting verses in this book.

pak yeh said...
Oh my you are certainly confused.
That Deutoronomy 17 has no connection with Deutoronomy 18;18. I agree taht Deutoronomy 17: refers to bretherens of Jacobites.
But in Deutoronoy 18:18 God was speaking to the Jacobite tribe of Mosses that included all 12 tribes.

Okay this is the supporting verse you ask for...Genesis 17:20 "And as for Ishmael,I have heard him.Behold I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly.12 princesses shall he beget and I will make him a great nation."
This verse is proof the the brethen stated in Deutoronomy is the brethren of Jacobites,that is the Ismaelites.
Historical proof.? Muhamad did say he is the Ishmaelite prophet and the Ismaelites(Arabs) were made a great/greatest nation during that period. Gods prediction about Ishmaelites and a prophet among them did came true.
Would you dare contradict god by saying otherwise.???

Anonymous Answer:
Why Deuteronomy 17 does not connection to Deuteronomy 18:18 on interpretation the word brethren ? Same book, same word must be same meaning. Deuteronomy 17 said Brethren is referring to Israelite, therefore Deuteronomy 18:18 brethren must be Israelite (therefore Prophets like Moses must be from Israelite); this is very simple literature interpretation rule.

You are using Genesis 17:20 talking about Ishmael, what is the connection between Deuteronomy 18:18 ? is there any “brethren” used in Genesis 17:20 ? so what is the connection between Deuteronomy 18:18 and Genesis 17:20 ? Oh, my friend Pak Yeh, you are certainly confused yourself.

pak yeh said...

Well if you say brethen means to Jobites only in Deutoronomy 18:18 then explain Genesis 17:20 "And as for Ishmael,I have heard him.Behold I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly.12 princesses shall he beget and I will make him a great nation."
This is prediction of Arabs/Ishmaelies. And hence this disproves you contention that brethen means Jacobites only.

It is pointless to debate with a Christians who falsifies the truth in the Bible by destroying the original Aramic Bible.You have no access to original to verify the truth of a translation like Muslims do.

Let us go to the 1st falsification.
1)That god is one and not three.That trinity is a falsehood repeated many times until it becomes a truth, just like what Joeseph Goebbels,Hitlers Propaganda Minister said:
How can you say god is three when he said "I am the only god.There is no god before and no god after me"..refer Isaiah 45 verse 10,22,12.
You have not answerwd any thing on this.You cannot do it because you lie.
Any verses of the Bible you give will further enhance the lie.

Jesus jhimself said he is not god and has no power without gods power.
You refutation of the verses that Jesus said otherwise has no Biblical proof.The truth is jJesusu denied he was god and that he can do nothing without god.
Whatever you have said does not prove Jesus is god.
Anyway how can you equate Jesus words/mans word with Gods word.???
Not even Jesus word can contradict gods word. If it does than god will clarify it, like He does it in the Quran.
God has denied Jesus is His son, denied Jesus is god and denied holy spirit is god.
Stop telling lies against Yahweh and Allah the one god by making them 1/3 of themself by saying there is a trinity
Christianity/Trinity is the Geobles principle.ie A lie repeated many times becomes a truth.

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh said:
How can you say god is three when he said "I am the only god.There is no god before and no god after me"..refer Isaiah 45 verse 10,22,12.
You have not answerwd any thing on this. You cannot do it because you lie.
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Anonymous answer:
Isaiah 45:10 (NIV)
How terrible Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What have you begotten?’ or to his mother,‘What have you brought to birth?’
Isaiah 45:12 (NIV)
It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.
Isaiah 45:22 (NIV)
“Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
Only Isaiah 45:22 is very near to what you have quoted.
1st point, all Christians belief in only one God, saying we belief in more than one God is not us which is you.
2nd point, if follow your logic, Jesus is God, therefore thy are two Gods. The only God name is Yahweh, so how about "Allah", another God ?!
3nd Point, Isaiah 45:22 Only God will save, there is no other,
Matthew 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”
Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua, which means the LORD saves.
John 8:24 Jesus “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am (Ego eimi, refer to Exodus 3:14, God self-declared when spoke to Moses) He , you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)
In another words, Isa al-Masih said " if we do not believe that I am He, we will die in our sins."

John 20:24-29 (Isa al-Masih Appears to Thomas after He has risen from death)
Now Thomas one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
We are blessed because we do not see but we believed.
About "Christians who falsifies the truth in the Bible by destroying the original Aramic Bible"
Dear Pak Yeh, lets read some Surah from Quran,
Surat 3:3,4
He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
Before, as guidance for the people. And He revealed the Qur'an. Indeed, those who disbelieve in the verses of Allah will have a severe punishment, and Allah is exalted in Might, the Owner of Retribution.
Surat 10:94
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.
Surat Al-'An`ām 6:115
The Word of your Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice; no one can change His words. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.

Quran said
a. God revealed also the Torah and the Gospel (Injil), those who disbelieve in verses of God will have severe punishment.
b. If you [including prophet Muhammad (pbuh)] are in doubt, than ask those who have been reading the scripture before you.
c. The word of Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice, no one can change His words.

My dear Pak Yeh, since God's word said "no one can change His words", and why you do not listen to God's words and said Torah and Gospel have been destroying?
Have a nice weekend.

pak yeh said...

Accepting your Isiah 45 verse 22 ian the rght vers...
You Anonymous said:
1st point, all Christians belief in only one God, saying we belief in more than one God is not us which is you.

Pak Yehs reply :
Are you a unitarian or a trinitarian Christian.???
If you are a trinitarian then you have lied/blasphemed the Bible one god Yahweh.
If you are unitarian,then you are considerd a true Jesus follower and is practicing one of the right religions.

Anonymous said :
2nd point, if follow your logic, Jesus is God, therefore thy are two Gods. The only God name is Yahweh, so how about "Allah", another God ?!

Pak Yehs reply :
You are spinning.Jesus cannot be god Yahweh because he was killed by Romans.He prays to Yahweh.He thirst and hunger.He comes out of a mortal vagina.
as for Allah, although another name but it means one god and therefore same god as Yahweh.

Anonymous said :
3nd Point, Isaiah 45:22 Only God will save, there is no other,
Matthew 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”
Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua, which means the LORD saves.
John 8:24 Jesus “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am (Ego eimi, refer to Exodus 3:14, God self-declared when spoke to Moses) He , you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)
In another words, Isa al-Masih said " if we do not believe that I am He, we will die in our sins."

Pak Yehs reply :
What you are doing is to try to change or contradict Isiah 45 verse 22, by quoting other verses.
If you book(Gospel0 is so full of contradictions,then it is not the book of god.

Anonymous said :

My dear Pak Yeh, since God's word said "no one can change His words", and why you do not listen to God's words and said Torah and Gospel have been destroying?
Have a nice weekend.

Pak Yehs reply:
Surat Al-'An`ām 6:115
The Word of your Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice; no one can change His words. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing

The above quran vers is only for the Quran.There are many other verses of the Quran which said that the Jews, Judaism and Christians have rewriten their books. Maybe the original was not but Torah has been contradicted by the Thalmud, and Bible Old Testament had been contradicted by Gospels.
The Pope has destroyed the original Aramic Bible, hence the books you have are mistranslated versions of the original.

It is devious of you to misinterprete the Quran on me. But I noticed the mistranslation such an Gospel for the word Injil.Changing names in translation is the rootcause of misleading gods message.

I belief in the Torah and the Injil but I disbelief in the Bible and the Gospel.
Di I disbelief in Allahs verses...
Surat 3:3,4
He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
Before, as guidance for the people. And He revealed the Qur'an. Indeed, those who disbelieve in the verses of Allah will have a severe punishment, and Allah is exalted in Might, the Owner of Retribution.
Surat 10:94
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.
Surat Al-'An`ām 6:115
The Word of your Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice; no one can change His words. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.

All of our debate leads to the fact that Christians using the Gospel tells lies about the oneness of Yahweh, your Bible god.
Gospel contradicts the Bible Old Testament and is full of errors.

Perhaps it is time for you to read what the Quran says about Jesus. Look fo an A to Z of the Quran at a bookshop.

Anonymous said...

Dear Pak Yeh:

Pak Yeh said:
Surat Al-'An`ām 6:115
The Word of your Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice; no one can change His words. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing

The above quran vers is only for the Quran.There are many other verses of the Quran which said that the Jews, Judaism and Christians have rewriten their books. Maybe the original was not but Torah has been contradicted by the Thalmud, and Bible Old Testament had been contradicted by Gospels.
The Pope has destroyed the original Aramic Bible, hence the books you have are mistranslated versions of the original.

It is devious of you to misinterprete the Quran on me. But I noticed the mistranslation such an Gospel for the word Injil.Changing names in translation is the rootcause of misleading gods message.


Anonymous Answer:
You said Surat 6:115 "The above Quraan vers is only for Quran", but this ver never mentioned "Quran" but "His (God) words". Quran have mentioned God's words including Torah and Gospel (surat 3:3,4). Do not make Quran to contradicting itself (and becomes full of erros [as you always like to said]) because do you think (based on Surat 10:94) Allah will ask Muhammad(pbuh) to ask (if he have doubt) those who have been reading the Scripture before you if the Scripture already corrupted ?
If you insist that Torah and Gospel has been corrupted (trying to ignore God's word in Surat 6:115), how are you going to explain God is the all-Hearing and the All-Knowing do not protect His own words ?

If you insist and said "Pope has destroyed the Original Aramaic Bible", do you have any manuscript proof ? When the original Aramaic Bible being destroyed ? before Muhammad (pbuh) time ? during Muhammad's time ? after Muhammad's time ?

You said "Changing names in translation is the rootcause of misleading gods message.".
Does Quran also changing names in translation from Hebrew (or Aramaic) to Arabic so based on you, it is the root cause of misleading God's message ?!

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymouse :
I stick to my/Muslim intrepretation of the Quran.
You are misinterpreting the Quran just like how you misinterprete the Bible/Gospel.
Jesus is not god and not son of god but you falsified by translation without giving othersa chance to verify using the original aramic text.You are using other verses to misinterprete Deutoronomy 18:18, hence making the Bible contradicting itself.
There is no trinity in the Bible but you inteprete it out of contaxt to make it a trinity...eg. The word,the Father anf the holy spirit are one". Thjis does not mean atrinity of god, but it means a trinity in the message(word). That the word comes from god to holy spirit and Jesus. What else could word "mwan". If word mean Jesus,it is not logik at all.Word is what comes out of the mouth,not what comes out of a vagina like Jesus.

Anonymouse said:

If you insist and said "Pope has destroyed the Original Aramaic Bible", do you have any manuscript proof ? When the original Aramaic Bible being destroyed ? before Muhammad (pbuh) time ? during Muhammad's time ? after Muhammad's time ?

Pak Yehs reply:
The Pope has destroyed or banned his own copy of the Gospels written by disciples of Jesus(Banabas) and brother of Jesus(James).Proof... These Bibles are still available,hidden by Unitarian Christians namely the Greek Orthodox Church and the coptic Christians. All these Gospels never said that Jesus is god or son of god.Why dont Trinitarians use Gospels by eye witness instead of using Gospels by non eye witnesses.??? A conspiracy to hide the truth.???

Anonymouse :

You said "Changing names in translation is the rootcause of misleading gods message.".
Does Quran also changing names in translation from Hebrew (or Aramaic) to Arabic so based on you, it is the root cause of misleading God's message ?!

Pak yes reply :
What are you talking about.? All translations of the Quran strictly maintain all names, pronouns in their original language Arabic.
It is you stupid Christians who like to change gods name without gods permission(how sinful)... like changing god to Allah as in your Malay bible.
For gods sake ,dont you know that god is illah in Arabic, while Allah is by defination, according to the Arabic Quran, a one god.
Shesh stupid Christians creating mischief, by mistranslating Allah into a trinity god. Next you will trinitize the Hidu gods and Chinese gods too.???
Damn you bloody Christian sinners.!!!
Blspheming Allah whne The Bible does not mention Allah.You shall suffer for your sins in the hellfire forever and ever.

Anonymous said...

Dear Pak Yeh:

Pak Yeh said :
I stick to my/Muslim intrepretation of the Quran.
You are misinterpreting the Quran just like how you misinterprete the Bible/Gospel.
Jesus is not god and not son of god but you falsified by translation without giving othersa chance to verify using the original aramic text.You are using other verses to misinterprete Deutoronomy 18:18, hence making the Bible contradicting itself.
There is no trinity in the Bible but you inteprete it out of contaxt to make it a trinity...eg. The word,the Father anf the holy spirit are one". Thjis does not mean atrinity of god, but it means a trinity in the message(word). That the word comes from god to holy spirit and Jesus. What else could word "mwan". If word mean Jesus,it is not logik at all.Word is what comes out of the mouth,not what comes out of a vagina like Jesus.
The Pope has destroyed or banned his own copy of the Gospels written by disciples of Jesus(Banabas) and brother of Jesus(James).Proof... These Bibles are still available,hidden by Unitarian Christians namely the Greek Orthodox Church and the coptic Christians. All these Gospels never said that Jesus is god or son of god.Why dont Trinitarians use Gospels by eye witness instead of using Gospels by non eye witnesses.??? A conspiracy to hide the truth.???


Anoymouse answer:
What is your or Muslim intrepretation of the Quran based on the 3 Quran verses that I have shown you ?

Pak Yeh you are keep on talking "I am misinterprete the Bible/Gospel" without ever to show any proof. Are you trying to use "A falsehood repeated many times becomes a truth" as what you always mentioned ? :)

Concerning the Gospels written by disciples of Jesus(Banabas). Someone already reply to you and yet you have no answer but you insist using it again?
a) Gospel of Banabas : Two manuscripts are known to have existed, both dated to the late 16th century and written respectively in Italian and in Spanish (Gospel of Barnabas Wikipedia). This is the true Gospel that you are looking but since does not according to your requirment,
i) orginal language is in Italian and Spanish ? sorry not Aramic !
b) 16th Century ? you said eyewitness ?
c) many more, please go and do some reseach.

Concerning Gospel Brother of Jesus(James): may be you are referring to Gospel of James (Infancy Gospel of James), is in Greek.
Please go and read this Gospel to see is there any help to proof that the Gospels today in our hand has been destroyed.
Please take note in case you do not ready this Gospel (Gospel of James) 11:7-8,

And the Angel of the Lord said, "Not like that, Mary. For the power of God will come
over you. Thus, the holy one who is born will be called son of the most high. And you
will call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins."

If you accept Gospel of James as the true Gospel, meaning you are agreed that "Isa (Jesus) is the holy one and he is the son of the most high". Yes, this is the truth that we are all talking about!!

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymouse.
You are quoting the wrong James gospel.
please check out the youtube link..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT8_faUmR1w

Note : The Bible had been revised 20 times and many verses were changed. Catholocs had 72 books cannonised. Protestants removed 6 books out of the total.jesus as the begoten of god was iserted by the Pope, and many Christian scholars were against it.

pak yeh said...

Tere is a Gospel of Banaba the deciple of Jesus in Aramic. There are many other gospels by Jesus deciples. but all were hidden or destroyed because the said Jesus was not god and son of god.
Do you not wonder why deciples Aramic Gospels are not used.??? Because they say the truth. Wa\hat other reaon.???
As for Latin Bibles as originals, that is the paganised idolised and Romanized mythology.

As for you asking which verse you mis interpret,..Think again or let it be. You cannot even understand your own Bible, what more the Quran.All Bible proofs had been given but you do not understand.You quote other verses to prove Jesus is god while thre are many verses which proof Jesus is not god. The fact is the Bible is full of contradictions and therefore not the book of god. This is especially as per the Gospels, because the words of man,Jesus, Mark, Luke,John,peter etc are also regarded as Gods word.It is a rojak of mans/priests words and gods word.
Only the old testament has a resemblance of gods word.

pak yeh said...

Dear anonymouse :
The folowing are the verses of the Bible that says God is one and no other god.Any Bibleverses that say there is 3 gods in 1 is a lie.

Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is no one else.
Besides me, there is no God.

Isaiah 45:6
that they may know from the rising of the sun,
and from the west,
that there is no one besides me.
I am the LORD, and there is no one else.

Isaiah 44:8
Don’t fear,
neither be afraid.
Haven’t I declared it to you long ago,
and shown it?
You are my witnesses.
Is there a God besides me?
Indeed, there is not.
I don’t know any other Rock.”

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymouse
Here is more proof that there is only one god and no other

Isaiah 43
10. “You are my witnesses,” says the LORD,
“With my servant whom I have chosen;
that you may know and believe me,
and understand that I am he.
Before me there was no God formed,
neither will there be after me.
11 I myself am the LORD;
and besides me there is no savior.

Isaiah 44
6 This is what the LORD, the King of Israel,
and his Redeemer, the LORD of Hosts, says:
“I am the first, and I am the last;
and besides me there is no God.

My dear brother/friend Anonymouse, for your sake, stop saying god is a trinity, It will land you in hellfire.
That is what god said in the Quran.Listen to God please.

Anonymous said...

Dear Pak Yeh
Concerning "The James gospel" on youtube..
1. They first talk about the book of James or Letter of James which is in our Bible today. The opinion of the 1st interviewee can be easily debuted with James 1:1
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings.
James as brother of Jesus intruding himself as the server of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.

2. Archbishop Aristarchos shown a book, the name cannot hear clearly, let as assume it is the Gospel of James (to respect Pak Yeh).
2.1 Please listen carefully the faith declared by the Archbishop, said that ”we belief Jesus is the son of God and son of man, Jesus is divine and human nature. This is what Christian belief. Today you can show me many verses that shown Jesus is human which does not affect our belief, but when we show you (even)a single verse that shows Jesus is divine than your theory for Jesus only human being will be rebutted.
2.2 The book shown looks too “new” when consider as book of thousand years ago, book in paper (?) and good binding.
2.2.1 Today survival New Testament manuscripts mostly made of papyrus which is in fragmented copies. Some are made of animal skin. The earliest manuscripts found was Gospel of John about 100AD (latest study shown it may be Gospel of Matthew at about 50AD ?!)
2.2.2 If there are large collection mostly will be in scroll form or codex instead of binding as book.
2.2.3 The survival codex, Codex Vaticanus (4th Century manuscript of Old and New Testament), another Codex Sinaiticus (about 4th Century, 1600 years ago, British Museum). If you have interest you can search around.
2.2.4 Paper spread from China through the Islamic world to medieval Europe in 13th century (Paper wiki)
2.2.5 If what the book shown on the mentioned YouTube as true copy (as what the claim is true which is older than the existing survival Gospel manuscripts meaning is about 2000 years ago), it will be a big discovery, not just for Bible and also for the paper, book binding technology. There is page with “golden” drawing which I think is another new ancient technology discovery in human history. Anyway, till today nothing was mentioned about this discovery either in scholars world, ancient history or nothing from any Muslim scholars talking about it in view Muslims has been century searching for the “true Injil”.
2.2.6 During the 1st century (The earliest day of Christianity), to become a Christian, you will ready to sacrifice your life, therefore it was insane that you change Gospel and know it was lie but sacrifice your life for a “lie” ?!
2.2.7 About “Bible had been revised 20 times and many verses were changed”. In view the manuscripts that we have in hands, is there any changes can be noticed easily.
2.2.8 About “Catholics has 72 books canonized in Bible and Protestants removed 6 books out of the total”. Before answer to this question, how about 7 versions (or reading), 8 or 10 version of Quran? Please let me know how many verses in these Quran ?
2.2.8 If you have interest, try to watch on YouTube about the oldest Quran discovery. Please take note, I do not fully agreed on this video but for the Oldest Quran discovery will lets our mind open..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLSEaPxePZc&feature=related

You still have not explain the three Quran verses regarding Torah and Injil, else I will consider my explanation is correct. I am sure you are a person who only follow God's words.

pak yeh said...

Pak Yehs reply
The traslation you quote
Surat 3:3,4
He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
Note :1) the word Gospel is wrongly translated from the original Injil from the real Quran in Arabic.
2)Muslim have originals to check whether a translation is correct or false, unlike Christians.

Anonymouse said :
Dear Pak Yeh
Concerning "The James gospel" on youtube..
1. They first talk about the book of James or Letter of James which is in our Bible today. The opinion of the 1st interviewee can be easily debuted with James 1:1
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings.
James as brother of Jesus intruding himself as the server of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Pak Yehs reply
You are mistaking James the apostal of Gospel of James is James the brother of Jesus.They are different persons.

Anonumouse said :
2. Archbishop Aristarchos shown a book, the name cannot hear clearly, let as assume it is the Gospel of James (to respect Pak Yeh).
2.1 Please listen carefully the faith declared by the Archbishop, said that ”we belief Jesus is the son of God and son of man, Jesus is divine and human nature. This is what Christian belief. Today you can show me many verses that shown Jesus is human which does not affect our belief, but when we show you (even)a single verse that shows Jesus is divine than your theory for Jesus only human being will be rebutted.

Pak Yehs reply :
The Bible adresses many of its prophets as son of god (Adam Moses,Davis etc,etc). Bible never say Jesus a begotten son of god.Bible also says that we are all children of god,with daughters too.
So according to the Bible there are billions of sons and daughters of god.There is no Bible versde in which Jesus himself says he in dod or son of god. What other people say does not matter.

Anonymouse said :
2.2 The book shown looks too “new” when consider as book of thousand years ago, book in paper (?) and good binding.

Pak Yehs reply.
It was a copy of the original in papryus. Why dont he show the papryus.??? For frear that the Catholics could destroy them, like they did their Papryus copy.

Anonymouse said :
2.2.1 Today survival New Testament manuscripts mostly made of papyrus which is in fragmented copies. Some are made of animal skin. The earliest manuscripts found was Gospel of John about 100AD (latest study shown it may be Gospel of Matthew at about 50AD ?!)

Pak yehs reply
Yeah right.! But it is in Latin. What good is a Latin Bible if it is not even a copy of the Bible, but it is a translated version of the Bible, which cannot be verified, whether it was properly translated.

Anonymoise said :
2.2.2 If there are large collection mostly will be in scroll form or codex instead of binding as book.

Pak Yehs reply :
Codex is the invention of Catholics. Muslims have only one book. We dont need a codex. Codex only used when there are sooo many authors of the Bible.

Anonymouse said :
2.2.3 The survival codex, Codex Vaticanus (4th Century manuscript of Old and New Testament), another Codex Sinaiticus (about 4th Century, 1600 years ago, British Museum). If you have interest you can search around.

Pak Yehs reply :
Same reply as above.

Anonymouse said :
2.2.4 Paper spread from China through the Islamic world to medieval Europe in 13th century (Paper wiki)

Pak Yehs reply :
Yeah offcourse. Paper books are but copies of original Bible, if in Aramic but translations,if in other languages.

pak yeh said...

Anonymouse said
2.2.5 If what the book shown on the mentioned YouTube as true copy (as what the claim is true which is older than the existing survival Gospel manuscripts meaning is about 2000 years ago), it will be a big discovery, not just for Bible and also for the paper, book binding technology. There is page with “golden” drawing which I think is another new ancient technology discovery in human history. Anyway, till today nothing was mentioned about this discovery either in scholars world, ancient history or nothing from any Muslim scholars talking about it in view Muslims has been century searching for the “true Injil”.

Pak Yehs reply :
Same answer as for item 2.2.1

Anonymouse said :
2.2.6 During the 1st century (The earliest day of Christianity), to become a Christian, you will ready to sacrifice your life, therefore it was insane that you change Gospel and know it was lie but sacrifice your life for a “lie” ?!

Pak Yehs reply :
The true Unitarian Christians had been masacred bt Constantinr and the Nicean Creed, the founders of Greek mytjology Trinity Christianity.

Anonymouse said :
2.2.7 About “Bible had been revised 20 times and many verses were changed”. In view the manuscripts that we have in hands, is there any changes can be noticed easily.

Pak Yehs reply
How.? Can you check it with the originals in Aramic.? Do you or have you checked the revisions.?
Will god accept revisions.?

Anonymouse said :
2.2.8 About “Catholics has 72 books canonized in Bible and Protestants removed 6 books out of the total”. Before answer to this question, how about 7 versions (or reading), 8 or 10 version of Quran? Please let me know how many verses in these Quran ?

Pak Yehs reply.
There is no revisions in the Quran,There is only one Quran ie the Arabic in which is the real Quran. It has translations and translations are not versions of the Quran.
Unlike the Bible, the versions are edited versions which contain additions ans eliminations.

Anonymouse said
2.2.8 If you have interest, try to watch on YouTube about the oldest Quran discovery. Please take note, I do not fully agreed on this video but for the Oldest Quran discovery will lets our mind open..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLSEaPxePZc&feature=related

Pak Yehs reply
I have not seen it yet due to very slow downloading.
We use only the earliest Quran,which is the Usmani Quran.Which was produced from writings on skins, leaves, stones and from memory by Muslims.It might not be a perfect editing, but no person had ever found any mistakes or contradictions in the Quran, unlike the Bible, which is full of mistakes,mistranslations,contradictions and sex scandals.

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh reply “Yeah right.! But it is in Latin. What good is a Latin Bible if it is not even a copy of the Bible, but it is a translated version of the Bible, which cannot be verified, whether it was properly translated.”

Anonymous Reply:
Injil language, as during Isa’s time, mostly Isa were speaking Aramaic, Hebrew and Greet. Since Greet was the government, commerce and scholarship language. Therefore mostly survival Injil manuscripts are in Greet language. Anyway, there are very little Aramaic manuscripts fragment still survive today. Based on the manuscripts you are able to verified, please take note, those survive manuscripts some are before Prophet Muhammad time ! Therefore Surat 10:94
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.
Become meaningful else how Allah instructs Prophet Muhammad to read Scripture that cannot be verified? Please do not make Quran contradict with your own and baseless interpretation of Bible corruption (you were using “destroyed” which was totally against Quran or any Muslim interpretation on the Bible).

Concerning Isaiah 43:10,11; 44:6 and other bibles verses on One God. Answer to these is very simple which I already told you, Christian belief ONLY ONE GOD! Therefore you can quote as many Bible verses that talking about only One God, this is what we are belief.
On Isaiah 43:11 when God said “besides me there is no savior” compare with Luke 2:11 “Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.”
Isaiah 44:6 the LORD of Hosts, says: “I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.” Compare with Jesus said in Revelation 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Since Pak Yeh had mentioned God in the Bible is the same God for Allah. Just for exercise may be Pak Yeh can providing Quran ayat that Allah has mentioned He is savior and He is First and Last ?

Pak Yeh said “Bible never say Jesus a begotten son of god”

Anonymous Reply:
John 3:16 (NIV) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Begotten is old English word which today usage has different meaning which cannot render the correct meaning of the Bible, newer translation replaced with “one and only son”. The original is “monogene” which means Jesus is not created by God compare with other “sons of God”.

Pak Yeh said “There is no Bible versde in which Jesus himself says he in dod or son of god..”

Anonymous Reply:
Many verses already shown you, here another verse
John 17:1 After Jesus said this; he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you..”

Anonymous said...

Pak Yeh said “but no person had ever found any mistakes or contradictions in the Quran, unlike the Bible, which is full of mistakes,mistranslations,contradictions and sex scandals.”
Anonymous Reply:
You have quoted more than 10 Bibles verses and by God’s grace all been answered, I had quoted 3 Quran verses and yet to receive an answer, therefore how Pak Yeh able to come up above conclusion?
Just to summarize what had been discussed before to end this long discussion.
1. Deut 18:18 do not predict Muhammad because the prophet predicted clearly must come from Israelites. God has blessed Ishmaelite but do not predict prophet from Ishmaelite based on Deut 18:18 and 17:14-15.
2. Only God is good (holy) and faultless. Isa is faultless (holy) and Quran 19:19 supported this claim.
3. All the Bible verses quoted by Pak Yehs which were trying disagreed on Isa has Divine; unfortunately all these Bible verses after reading in full context have shown that Isa is Divine.
4. About Bible corruption theory is baseless. Quran Surat 6:115; 3:3,4; 10:94 have ensure that no one can change Allah’s words, and Allah’s words including Bible (books on the hand of people of the books). According to manuscripts some are older than Prophet Muhammad still survive today shown no proof of corruption of the Christian belief today.

About sex scandals, Bible do not hide any misbehave of any men/women regardless of his/her status (example: David sins). I think Quran holding this same principle too. As from this blog, Pak Yeh also holding this principle to expose whatever are not correct which make me respect Pak Yeh. Anyway, this is a warong that we can share a tea and our though in order to make Malaysia a better place.

pak yeh said...

Dear Anonymous:
I think we have debated on the contradictions of the Bible, ie 1) One god contradicted by three gods.
2)Gods prediction of a prophet from the Ishmaeli tribe.(God will speak by his mouth as in Deutoronomy 118:18),
3)Jesus prediction of the Comforter John 14 :16 is of a nother prophet.

I dont think any Christian have ever refuted them. They like you say that they have refuted,but they have not.They have given verses that have contradicted each other.Contradictions does not refute.Then again it is just wrong interpretations by Christians.

If you want to debate with a better Bible debater than me, there is no Bible debater as good as the late Ahmad Deedat.
Please check out these links on Ahmad Deedat debates.

1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqfR1pDGnCA&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLE0450B1BA992B0B4

The above link is the core of the debate. You can check out the whole debate..21 videos.

pak yeh said...

continue...
As for your use of the Quran to defend your Bible, you are m,,,
isinterpreting it. Besides the debate is about the Bible,not the Quran.